This is not an issue of demonizing the use of medicine or going to doctors. I really wish you would get off that, RD. This is an issue of trust and how far one is willing to take that trust.
all the way to the hospital if necessary.
that does in no way reduce my complete faith in God and my complete leaning on Him in all things.
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This is not an issue of demonizing the use of medicine or going to doctors. I really wish you would get off that, RD. This is an issue of trust and how far one is willing to take that trust.
I trust God to keep me safe... I lock my doors at night.
I trust God to keep my possessions ...I lock my car when I leave it.
I trust God to give me my daily bread....I go shopping
I trust God to keep me safe on the road...I keep my hands on the wheel
To deliberately REFUSE to lock my doors to show everyone how I TRUST God takes trust from the realm of the GOD given common sense into the realm of the intentionally foolish.
To deliberately REFUSE to lock my car and leave the keys in the ignition to showjust how completely I trust God is to take trust from the realm of GOD given common sense into the intentionally foolish.
To deliberately refuse to work or shop to show just how I trust God is to take it from the realm of God ordained common sense into the realm of the intentionally foolish.
To deliberately take my hands off the wheel and close my eyes while I am driving to demonstrate to everyone how I trust God to keep me safe is to take it from the realm of the God ordained common sense into the realm of the intentionally foolish.
To refuse to acknowledge that ***GOD*** uses medicinal means to heal when HIS WORD shows that he does is to take Gods word from the realm of Common sense into the realm of the intentionally foolish.
You know Rico and Oneness Man there is a reason you are meeting with such resistance on this subject. In fact there are probably as many reasons as there are posters, I can only share MINE with you.
You are part of a subgroup in Jesus Name Pentecost that has made this position their Rallying point. No Doctors, No Pagan Holidays, No Belt Buckles or Watches with bands.
It enables this group to feel superior to the other Apostolics because while other Apostolics only have faith the adherents of This position have GREAT FAITH. (Deceiving only themselves as they are buried in their thirties and forties when they should have lived into their seventies and eighties.)
The last issues (Watch bands belt buckles, Christmas) are totally without consequence other than being a little silly, but if one wants to be like the one always asking every one else what time it is , so be it.
You want to eat beans on December 25th to show everyone how close to God that makes you feel, eat em up yum!
BUT this message that one has GREATER FAITH and TRUSTS GOD MORE because they refuse medical treatment is a DEADLY doctrine, as many of the proponents of this teaching found out the hard way.
But if an individual wants to go that route, again, that is strictly their business, but when it is TAUGHT and TESTIFIED TO and ELEVATED in the hearing of impressionable men and women who desiring to have GREAT FAITH and desiring to COMPLETELY TRUST the Lord then follow this UNBIBLICAL route, you become guilty of destroying mens lives. Robbing children of their parents (Shame) Mothers of their Babies (Shame) women of their husbands (Shame) and husbands of their wives (SHAME!)
The lack of CONSISTENCY in this position (because it almost always shows up NOT in the daily bread area, or the protection of your home and possessions area, but virtually always and solely in the realm of HEALTH ) is apparent to every one but those insisting that the refusal of medical treatment is a superior faith walk with God.
Simply said this stand is NOT of God, it is a destructive deadly stand , it is of man and it is wrong, deadly deadly wrong.
This is not an issue of demonizing the use of medicine or going to doctors. I really wish you would get off that, RD. This is an issue of trust and how far one is willing to take that trust.
The point is you suggest that those who go to doctors are not trusting God as much as those who don't get medical care.
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The point is you suggest that those who go to doctors are not trusting God as much as those who don't.
That's because they aren't, RD. One can not say, "I am completely, 100% putting my trust in God for Him to heal my body when it gets sick", and then turn around and say, "I am not feeling well. I think I will go see a doctor." What you've done is to mix your trust in God with trust in man. It isn't the same thing as the person who says they are completely, 100% putting their trust in God for the healing of their body and then don't see a doctor when they're sick. You are not going to convince me that these two people have the same type or level of faith in God. Now, the person who sees the doctor may have faith in God that the doctor will make the right diagnosis, prescribe the right treatment, etc., but that person is putting their trust in that doctor's ability, along with their trust in God. They are NOT trusting in God only.
That's because they aren't, RD. One can not say, "I am completely, 100% putting my trust in God for Him to heal my body when it gets sick", and then turn around and say, "I am not feeling well. I think I will go see a doctor." What you've done is to mix your trust in God with trust in man. It isn't the same thing as the person who says they are completely, 100% putting their trust in God for the healing of their body and then don't see a doctor when they're sick. You are not going to convince me that these two people have the same type or level of faith in God. Now, the person who sees the doctor may have faith in God that the doctor will make the right diagnosis, prescribe the right treatment, etc., but that person is putting their trust in that doctor's ability, along with their trust in God. They are NOT trusting in God only.
God heals in a variety of ways. He heals and gives the means by which it is done. Who give physicians their skills and abilities? To trust God means to trust Him HIS way and He's given medicine as part of that. There are times when He heals alone and there are times when He uses man.
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Well, guys, I am calling it a night. I know it's early, but it's been a bit brutal on the phones today. I am going to turn on my ham radio, see what's on the tv, and forget about all things computer. Y'all have a good night. I have enjoyed this discussion. TCSQ, are you going to answer my pm?
I trust God to keep me safe... I lock my doors at night.
I trust God to keep my possessions ...I lock my car when I leave it.
I trust God to give me my daily bread....I go shopping
I trust God to keep me safe on the road...I keep my hands on the wheel
To deliberately REFUSE to lock my doors to show everyone how I TRUST God takes trust from the realm of the GOD given common sense into the realm of the intentionally foolish.
To deliberately REFUSE to lock my car and leave the keys in the ignition to showjust how completely I trust God is to take trust from the realm of GOD given common sense into the intentionally foolish.
To deliberately refuse to work or shop to show just how I trust God is to take it from the realm of God ordained common sense into the realm of the intentionally foolish.
To deliberately take my hands off the wheel and close my eyes while I am driving to demonstrate to everyone how I trust God to keep me safe is to take it from the realm of the God ordained common sense into the realm of the intentionally foolish.
To refuse to acknowledge that ***GOD*** uses medicinal means to heal when HIS WORD shows that he does is to take Gods word from the realm of Common sense into the realm of the intentionally foolish.
You know Rico and Oneness Man there is a reason you are meeting with such resistance on this subject. In fact there are probably as many reasons as there are posters, I can only share MINE with you.
You are part of a subgroup in Jesus Name Pentecost that has made this position their Rallying point. No Doctors, No Pagan Holidays, No Belt Buckles or Watches with bands.
It enables this group to feel superior to the other Apostolics because while other Apostolics only have faith the adherents of This position have GREAT FAITH. (Deceiving only themselves as they are buried in their thirties and forties when they should have lived into their seventies and eighties.)
The last issues (Watch bands belt buckles, Christmas) are totally without consequence other than being a little silly, but if one wants to be like the one always asking every one else what time it is , so be it.
You want to eat beans on December 25th to show everyone how close to God that makes you feel, eat em up yum!
BUT this message that one has GREATER FAITH and TRUSTS GOD MORE because they refuse medical treatment is a DEADLY doctrine, as many of the proponents of this teaching found out the hard way.
But if an individual wants to go that route, again, that is strictly their business, but when it is TAUGHT and TESTIFIED TO and ELEVATED in the hearing of impressionable men and women who desiring to have GREAT FAITH and desiring to COMPLETELY TRUST the Lord then follow this UNBIBLICAL route, you become guilty of destroying mens lives. Robbing children of their parents (Shame) Mothers of their Babies (Shame) women of their husbands (Shame) and husbands of their wives (SHAME!)
The lack of CONSISTENCY in this position (because it almost always shows up NOT in the daily bread area, or the protection of your home and possessions area, but virtually always and solely in the realm of HEALTH ) is apparent to every one but those insisting that the refusal of medical treatment is a superior faith walk with God.
Simply said this stand is NOT of God, it is a destructive deadly stand , it is of man and it is wrong, deadly deadly wrong.
Faith without works is dead. It appears that those who claim to rely only on God are actually relying on self in an effort to make them appear more spiritual or whatever, I'm not sure.
But, as I've said before, I can totally rely and trust in God and seek medical attention at the same time!
Have there been times that I've had to just trust in God? YES!! Have there been times I haven't trusted in Him, instead looking to doctors? NO!! But I have on several occasions trusted totally in God while getting medical attention as well.
I see it that my faith was proven with my works.
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That's because they aren't, RD. One can not say, "I am completely, 100% putting my trust in God for Him to heal my body when it gets sick", and then turn around and say, "I am not feeling well. I think I will go see a doctor." What you've done is to mix your trust in God with trust in man. It isn't the same thing as the person who says they are completely, 100% putting their trust in God for the healing of their body and then don't see a doctor when they're sick. You are not going to convince me that these two people have the same type or level of faith in God. Now, the person who sees the doctor may have faith in God that the doctor will make the right diagnosis, prescribe the right treatment, etc., but that person is putting their trust in that doctor's ability, along with their trust in God. They are NOT trusting in God only.
This may surprise some, but I agree. Furthermore, the Bible has clear instructions for what you are to do when there are sick among you. It says what to do, and it says what will happen if you do.
One problem: it doesn't always happen. The Bible's defenders agree, but they don't let anyone say this proves that this scripture is wrong. Rather, they say "we don't understand why". Never "that scripture isn't true". Nope. That's not allowed. The Bible is true no matter what.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
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Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls...
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