Thad isn't one to have honest discussion. I should have known better than to fall in this trap to begin with. Then it would have been a thread with 37 posts instead of almost 900.
Thad can answer for himself....but I really think you miss the point of his posts (or maybe I am just misreading them). As I explained above, and last night, he will approach discussions from a UPC standpoint. You have to admit, whether right or wrong, the UPC has a "view" of exactly what he was arguing with you last night. How many times have you heard a woman wearing pants, make-up and cut hair as sinning? I think you would have the same complaint if you were arguing against rrford, IAM, and Epley.....however, they are probably being honest in their discussion...as you are being honest in yours.
I'd rather have a dialogue from the Biblical view. The above explains why Thad couldn't post specific scripture cause he's only repeating what he's been taught.
However, your view and the view of say...rrford, is going to be very different. They can show specific scripture however your view and his view of the same scripture are going to be different....and both of you will say it's biblically based...correct?
How about If I bring my Choir to sing at your church, All the Women will wear Pants (as you like) and ALL the Men will wear Dresses!!! How's that?? Wouldn't you Love that ????HOw would that go over ???
However, your view and the view of say...rrford, is going to be very different. They can show specific scripture however your view and his view of the same scripture are going to be different....and both of you will say it's biblically based...correct?
The difference is, I don't read anything into that scripture. I read it exactly as it's written.
I don't believe women should wear men's clothing nor should men wear a woman's garment. It's that simple.
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Thad can answer for himself....but I really think you miss the point of his posts (or maybe I am just misreading them). As I explained above, and last night, he will approach discussions from a UPC standpoint. You have to admit, whether right or wrong, the UPC has a "view" of exactly what he was arguing with you last night. How many times have you heard a woman wearing pants, make-up and cut hair as sinning? I think you would have the same complaint if you were arguing against rrford, IAM, and Epley.....however, they are probably being honest in their discussion...as you are being honest in yours.
I'm not understanding how wanting a Biblical discussion instead of an organizational one makes ME the liberal! LOL!
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I'm not understanding how wanting a Biblical discussion instead of an organizational one makes ME the liberal! LOL!
I don't think anyone has said you are a liberal....however, given your statements...in the eyes of some, you are that. I will say that some will say that, indeed, the whole pants on women is a Biblical...not organizational...one.
I would really like to see you and one of our elders debate this. I have a feeling that you will be saying you want an honest discussion with them as well.
I'm not understanding how wanting a Biblical discussion instead of an organizational one makes ME the liberal! LOL!
joy most of you believe that none of the scriptures that have been pointed out apply. That's why i keep saying that since those who believe this, have no scripture against ANY Lawless behavior concerning Dress.
I take it that you are a strong advocate of women's rights ? (not making any assumptions). If so, what if the tables were turned here? what if Men were allowed to wear both dresses and Pants but women could only wear Dresses ?? wouldn't you think that was a little off ?? You want to apply Dut 22:5 to "MEN ONLY" and that's is not right!
If you know anything about Thad, he will make statements to create discussion and dialogue. Most of the time, he takes the UPC view and argues from that point. In the UPC, women wearing pants is wrong and viewed very negatively. If a UPC woman wore pants they would automatically think she has backslid and sinning.
Thad may hold to this view, don't know....I just know that he does come to some discussions from the UPC "view" to engage dialogue....from both sides.
SoCaliUPC~I hear you~ When I was UPC I said what they said, back it up even if it was dead wrong, no proof. Hey if they said the sky was pink, sure enough it was pink, even tho it clearly was blue....Sheep thing.....
Thad isn't one to have honest discussion. I should have known better than to fall in this trap to begin with. Then it would have been a thread with 37 posts instead of almost 900.
When you think about it heavenly one that's pretty sad, to think they profess to know God, yet be so dishonest ~ Turning untruths into truths, what can we expect but confusing on their part~
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