NEWS FLASH! The Cons getting cold Feet?????????????

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Will you then gracefully leave the UPC where you have been God's servant, or will you try to remain as the pastor and influence the church to cut any ties as well?

I'm not sure your question makes sense. However, I will attempt to answer.

I have been a member of the UPCI for 25 years. However, I was not licensed when I started preaching, and a license will in no way change my ministry.

As for the church, there have only been two pastors before me. The first one stayed three years. His successor stayed 10 1/2 years and passed away. I have been here for 11 1/2 years. My predecessor was raised independent, but had joined the UPC prior to assuming the pastorate. However, he was not a great "fan" of the UPC, and did not get the church very involved in the organization.

I, on the other hand, was appointed to a District position just 6 months after becoming pastor. I have served in as many as three different positions at one time, including District Newspaper Editor, Sunday School Director, and District Secretary. I have also served as District Home Missions Secretary and, most recently, as District Superintendent. During my involvement, the church became more involved in the organization, but still has no sense of "commitment" to the UPCI. The church is not affiliated.

No one in any kind of leadership position in this church has a television. They feel as strongly as I do about the owning -- and usage -- of this medium. I will not resign the church if I relinquish my license. Furthermore, it will have absolutely no impact on the church. They could not care less whether or not I am in the UPC.

I don't know if that answers your question, but it's the best I can do without further clarification.

[Sister Alvear]

Kansas Pastor, do you think it will be voted on or tabled?

[Thad]

kansas Preacher, just a question for you. let me first say I have no issue, problem or put down with anyone who has a conviction against TV. anyone in the right mind can see the problems it's caused in society.

BUt what are you going to do when in the very near future, TVs are going to be obsolete? they are not making 30 in computers for nothing. everyhting is merging into one unit . in years to come, kids wont even know what a TV is.

[SoCaliUPC]

To outlaw TV you are going to have to outlaw ipods, iphones, and even the internet.

It is ludacris to even think that the same self-control we have to not go to certain websites, to not read and look at things we should not, to go to places where we should not be going, to go out clubbing, etc....is somehow gone away with when TV is concerned.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

To outlaw TV you are going to have to outlaw ipods, iphones, and even the internet.

It is ludacris to even think that the same self-control we have to not go to certain websites, to not read and look at things we should not, to go to places where we should not be going, to go out clubbing, etc....is somehow gone away with when TV is concerned.

There you go trying to use logic.......




Good point.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

I'm not sure your question makes sense. However, I will attempt to answer.

I have been a member of the UPCI for 25 years. However, I was not licensed when I started preaching, and a license will in no way change my ministry.

As for the church, there have only been two pastors before me. The first one stayed three years. His successor stayed 10 1/2 years and passed away. I have been here for 11 1/2 years. My predecessor was raised independent, but had joined the UPC prior to assuming the pastorate. However, he was not a great "fan" of the UPC, and did not get the church very involved in the organization.

I, on the other hand, was appointed to a District position just 6 months after becoming pastor. I have served in as many as three different positions at one time, including District Newspaper Editor, Sunday School Director, and District Secretary. I have also served as District Home Missions Secretary and, most recently, as District Superintendent. During my involvement, the church became more involved in the organization, but still has no sense of "commitment" to the UPCI. The church is not affiliated.

No one in any kind of leadership position in this church has a television. They feel as strongly as I do about the owning -- and usage -- of this medium. I will not resign the church if I relinquish my license. Furthermore, it will have absolutely no impact on the church. They could not care less whether or not I am in the UPC.
I don't know if that answers your question, but it's the best I can do without further clarification.

Really??

Are they free to express their feelings in this regard or are they relegated to second class status if they differ with you?

Is there a format in place for dissenting brothers to be heard or are they referred to as "cold in the Lord" for "questioning the man of God"?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Really??

Are they free to express their feelings in this regard or are they relegated to second class status if they differ with you?

Is there a format in place for dissenting brothers to be heard or are they referred to as "cold in the Lord" for "questioning the man of God"?

and no smilies???

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

and no smilies???

I'll make an exception for you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I get the impression that you feel an organization should get its direction from weaker brethren.

Amazing nothing like a chap who comes out fighting. "Weaker Brethren" I have been hearing that little Charismatic repertory of digs against Apostolics too many times, you think a liberal would come up with something more original. Tell me how are those who would vote against television advertising WEAK? TB, maybe you can take some time away from watching football and say a prayer for these Brothers. Did you happen to see the Super Bowl game with Janet Jackson during half time? Were you feeling strong at that moment?

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

UPC preachers opposing the use of modern technology to take "the whole gospel to the whole world" represents an oxymoron to the stated purpose for their existence as an organization I just don't get it.

How? Did the Apostle Paul need Internet, Television, or Radio? He preached to every creature under heaven during his time, and with out technology.
How many Jehovah Witness commercials have you seen? How many advertisements for Roman Catholic Churches and Eastern Greek Orthodox do you see?

I think this is going to be a big mistake.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esther

So your saying if I can't have it I don't want you to have it either?

I'm saying move not the old landmarks.