Pastors, how do you handle it when...

[Hegavmelif]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

PP...you publically rebuke twenty something men who refuse to get a job?

As a pastor I do not openly, publically or privately rebuke anyone. Not even the devil. Not even the ark angel would bring a railing accusation againt Satan, but said "the Lord rebuke thee" contending for the body of Moses. Why? Because because Satan is the accuser of the brethren. I would seriously ask you reconsider how you treat the flock.

Just because that's they way you were taught, doesn't make it right. By publically humiliating people you are offending their spirit, the spirit of Christ that dwells in them.

Oh my God!! Ding! Ding! Ding! I believe the reason some men are abusive has a lot to do with the way the are treated from the pulpit when they get to church. I have heard preachers talk to saints in a manner that society as a whole would never accept under any circumstance. I don't understand why some of our men turn into such meanies when they get in the pulpit...but they do!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

Oh my God!! Ding! Ding! Ding! I believe the reason some men are abusive has a lot to do with the way the are treated from the pulpit when they get to church. I have heard preachers talk to saints in a manner that society as a whole would never accept under any circumstance. I don't understand why some of our men turn into such meanies when they get in the pulpit...but they do!

Are you really serious?!

You think a grown man that:

1. doesn't work,
2. lives off of mom and dad,
3. won't go to college,
4. is over the age of 20,
5. won't help in any of the programs of the church,

Should be able to stand up in business meetings and planning sessions and dictate the direction of the church and how tithe and offering money should be spent? Do you think it's okay for him to stand publicly and tell everyone how things should be handled?


I am seriously concerned if you do.


BTW, crazyhomie says he never rebukes people publicly while in the same breath rebuking me?


The guy has a problem. Seriously.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Jesus had a dual nature too you know...i was really starting to like you revrandy. how long have you lived in stockton? I went to CLC 20+ years ago.

Originally Posted by revrandy

I don't dislike you... it's water under the bridge as far as i am concerned...

I have lived here 17 years... take it to PM if you'd like as to not hijack the thread...

oaky...the river just ran dry....

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

Oh girl, I am with you on this one. I finally told my husband not to ever call me again at work and ask me what was for dinner. He would call almost every day 30 minutes before time to leave work. He wouldn't ask how my day was going, etc. It was what are you cooking for dinner? He doesn't call and ask that anymore but he does aimlessly wonder around the house waiting on me to start cooking something but I'm not suppose to realize what he is doing. LOL

In OUR defense... I only call because I get in trouble if I have already eaten by the time she gets home so I have to understand what she wants to do.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Are you really serious?!

You think a grown man that:

1. doesn't work,
2. lives off of mom and dad,
3. won't go to college,
4. is over the age of 20,
5. won't help in any of the programs of the church,

Should be able to stand up in business meetings and planning sessions and dictate the direction of the church and how tithe and offering money should be spent? Do you think it's okay for him to stand publicly and tell everyone how things should be handled?


I am seriously concerned if you do.


BTW, crazyhomie says he never rebukes people publicly while in the same breath rebuking me?


The guy has a problem. Seriously.

Maybe this guys shouldn't be a voting member of your church unless the membership rules allow. If he is not a member and gets out of order in a business meeting then he should be removed from the meeting. I don't think this would be considered a rebuke would be justified in trying to restore order.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

In OUR defense... I only call because I get in trouble if I have already eaten by the time she gets home so I have to understand what she wants to do.

Hum, you use a good excuse anyway.

[Hegavmelif]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Are you really serious?!

You think a grown man that:

1. doesn't work,
2. lives off of mom and dad,
3. won't go to college,
4. is over the age of 20,
5. won't help in any of the programs of the church,

Should be able to stand up in business meetings and planning sessions and dictate the direction of the church and how tithe and offering money should be spent? Do you think it's okay for him to stand publicly and tell everyone how things should be handled?


I am seriously concerned if you do.


BTW, crazyhomie says he never rebukes people publicly while in the same breath rebuking me?


The guy has a problem. Seriously.

It has everything to do with how they were raised. If you have 20 men in your church who don't work, you need to look at mom and dad. These men are a product of their environment. I have a 15 year boy who took his first job this summer. The contractor he worked for loved him - Thought he had the best attitude and work ethics he had ever seen in a teenager. The contractor readily acknowledged that he (my son) is who he is because of the disciplined, hard-working mom and dad that my son has!

Mom and dad had more to do with the end results in these 20 men than we would want to admit.

I tell woman who complain about how men act that if they want men to act differently, they have to start raising boys differently!!

Individual counseling with a passion to see a difference in each of the lives so these 20 men would have gone a lot further with better results. I would much rather have had the occasion to talk and cousel with each of the individuals individually than to openly rebuke them all at once.

You never know, God might be trying to teach you something about this lazy untoward generation in which you are trying to build churches out of.

And, bythe way, I don't like laziness in anyone. Some of the hardest working people I know are my my wife, her mother, my mother, my grandmothers. The men work equally as as hard.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Maybe this guys shouldn't be a voting member of your church unless the membership rules allow. If he is not a member and gets out of order in a business meeting then he should be removed from the meeting. I don't think this would be considered a rebuke would be justified in trying to restore order.

Thank you. There were three of them and that's exactly what I did.

From that point on I announced that only the voting membership were invited to our business meetings. Two of the three went out and got jobs, the other one moved away.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by revrandy

oaky...the river just ran dry....

I would pay big money to know what this means......LOL!

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

Hum, you use a good excuse anyway.

We just made a new rule since she has started her own business and is on a different schedule. If she doesn't call me by 4:30 pm I am allowed to eat on my own.