it is a ridiculous thread, sin is sin, it is all bad, no degrees, none of it legalism and homo included are any diff in the eyes of god, have mercy jesus, dt
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I did it again. I'm sorry, but that's they way it felt. Men humiliating and abusing other men for the purpose of attaining a higher status within the tribe; what else do you compare it to?
Are there any other ancient patterns of behavior into which we might sort this phenomenon?
I can think of other analogies - sure. Humiliation and abuse tactics to gain control and status have been around pretty much since the beginning of time.
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I did it again. I'm sorry, but that's they way it felt. Men humiliating and abusing other men for the purpose of attaining a higher status within the tribe; what else do you compare it to?
Are there any other ancient patterns of behavior into which we might sort this phenomenon?
The crusades?
Eastern rulers killing their borthers to elimnate rivals?
Phillip and the Pope killing off the Knights Templair?
Fudalism?
The Cast system in India?
Svengali?
the Bolshevic revolution?
Linin and Trotski?
Pope/Anti-Pope?
Mohammad?
The human race has always had those who wished to control and used what ever means necessary to do so. it has nothing to do with the perversion of homosexuality.
you must have studied antropology at U. C. Berkley.
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The crusades?
Eastern rulers killing their borthers to elimnate rivals?
Phillip and the Pope killing off the Knights Templair?
Fudalism?
The Cast system in India?
Svengali?
the Bolshevic revolution?
Linin and Trotski?
Pope/Anti-Pope?
Mohammad?
The human race has always had those who wished to control and used what ever means necessary to do so. it has nothing to do with the perversion of homosexuality.
you must have studied antropology at U. C. Berkley.
Aha! Somebody has their thinking cap on this morning!
The first one on your list was on the top of mine as well.
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Aha! Somebody has their thinking cap on this morning!
The first one on your list was on the top of mine as well.
Of course you and Ferd make loads of sense.
But you have to keep in mind the fact that it is immensely more satisfying to a bitter person to compare Apostolic preachers to a bunch of homosexual rapists.
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But you have to keep in mind the fact that it is immensely more satisfying to a bitter person to compare Apostolic preachers to a bunch of homosexual rapists.
I don't think that the small group dynamics such as the one to which I referred can be compared to large scale enterprises like the Crusades, etc. This is more man-on-man; up close and in your face type of abuse. No doubt that the Crusades involved a lot of personal encounters and crimes - to say "the Crusades" or some of the other large scale dramas is not analogous.
On the point of my "bitterness" I would contend that such dismissals are frequently useful to those in power in order that they may continue the oppression. When I was still with the UPC and I spoke out about abuses the immediate response was that I must be "bitter." That seems to have become our catch phrase for dealing with unpleasant issues. We just say that the person who brings us the unpleasant news is "bitter" and we turn away.
The writer for the story at the start of this thread could be said to display bitterness by including graphic descriptions of the crime. Even the victim could be "bitter" for bringing the whole thing up. The one who posted the story may have done so out of "bitterness," why else would you bring it up? So it seems that there is a lot of "bitterness."
Meanwhile abusive systems remain in place. Sometimes things do come out into the open, but each time they do we are sure to hear that the ones shining the light on the abuse are "bitter."
Your frank dismissal shows me that you may have bitterness that you too are dealing with. As a fellow traveller I would like to encourage you. Speak out and reach out. Don't be satisfied with mere catch phrases. There is true progress that we can make if we honestly and completely open ourselves to Christ.
Maybe we should discuss how the Jezebel spirit controls legalism. Tons of unmined material there... lol
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Originally Posted by pelathais
I did it again. I'm sorry, but that's they way it felt. Men humiliating and abusing other men for the purpose of attaining a higher status within the tribe; what else do you compare it to?
Are there any other ancient patterns of behavior into which we might sort this phenomenon?
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le·gal·ism
–noun 1.strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, esp. to the letter rather than the spirit. 2.Theology. a.the doctrine that salvation is gained through good works. b.the judging of conduct in terms of adherence to precise laws.
I fail to see the comparison with homosexuality
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I don't think that the small group dynamics such as the one to which I referred can be compared to large scale enterprises like the Crusades, etc. This is more man-on-man; up close and in your face type of abuse. No doubt that the Crusades involved a lot of personal encounters and crimes - to say "the Crusades" or some of the other large scale dramas is not analogous.
Okay, point taken. Perhaps the crusade analogy isn't the best but the one you used seemed quite extreme and very graphic to me and one that I can't identify with and really don't want to have to even think about it in order to try and identify with the comparison you're making.
Anyhow ....
Sometimes we have to be abased. It's part of the human experience. Certainly Jesus was and certainly Paul was and he testified to it too.
We survive these things and come out better for it if we're committed to keeping our heart and spirit right.
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