Apostolic Preachers

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I have a book on early snake handlers. Some of the first to baptize in Jesus Name that is recorded were snake handlers. My memory is foggy but there was a lady preacher that preached in kentucky and she preached baptism in Jesus Name. Often times while she was preaching she would handle rattlesnakes. I believe that this is where the practice of snake handling was inspired. At this time it was not a normal practice in any of the churches. I have to say that I suspect this ladies ministry could have been genuine.

You just lost Elder Epley at "lady preacher", lol......

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Sam

I was born December 6, 1937.
In August/September 1959 I went to a Church of Jesus Christ Convention in Charleston, WV. There I met a man, Bob Winstead, who was pastoring the Church of Jesus Christ in Eskdale, Kanawha County WV somewhere outside of Charleston. I had previously met him in Niles, Michigan some years before at a convention of The Church of Jesus Christ, Pentecostal Faith. I took out license with The Church of Jesus Christ while I was there in Charleston and Bob Winstead was one who signed my application. Bishop Mark Lawson was still alive back then. I preached for Bob Winstead one night while I was there. After I got back home I had second thoughts and sent the license in to Bishop Lawson because I was attending a UPC church and doing some teaching and preaching there and did not want to get into any trouble with my pastor (although I was preaching around at non-UPC churches at the time, even a couple Church of Jesus Christ churches. Actually, my wife's grandfather who married us was a preacher with The Church of Jesus Christ.

Later I did take out license with The Church of Jesus Christ, Pentecostal Faith.Bishop G.R. Brock in Indianapolis was the Presiding Bishop. I let that license lapse when we started going to an ALJC church in the Cincinnati area. Later I was licensed with the ALJC.

Speaking of old...... the picture of me and my wife in the attached montage was taken in the fall of 1959 at The Church of Jesus Christ Pentecostal Faith in Indianapolis, Indiana when I went and preached for Bishop Brock.

Later,

Enjoyed the post and the pics!

[Jay]

Bro. Marvin Arnold documented a group in Florida that had believed this message in the 1800s. There are other examples of those who did, but often they left no record or are otherwise difficult to find. We are more literary than many of our ancestors, so some of our works my survive to give record of the the truth to later generations if the Lord tarries.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Jay

Bro. Marvin Arnold documented a group in Florida that had believed this message in the 1800s. There are other examples of those who did, but often they left no record or are otherwise difficult to find. We are more literary than many of our ancestors, so some of our works my survive to give record of the the truth to later generations if the Lord tarries.

Doubt it.

[Sam]

Charles Parham is cited by some OP's as baptizing in Jesus' name and as having baptized Bro. Howard Goss that way, however, if I remember correctly, Bro. Goss was rebaptized after the "New Issue" became an issue. My memory is hazy on this. Perhaps someone can help me out or correct me if I'm wrong.

Note: just because it is recorded somewhere or said somewhere that a person baptizes "in Jesus' Name" does not mean that the name of Jesus is spoken by them at baptism. It could mean that the person baptizes as authorized by Jesus or by His authority. Some believe that Jesus authorized His disciples in Matthew 28:19 to speak the FS&HG words and so when they baptize "in His name" or "by His authority" or "as authorized by Him," they actually repeat the FS&HG words and do not say the name "Jesus"

[Jay]

It is true that CFP did baptize in Jesus' name. His own writings confirm this. Howard Goss was baptized in Jesus' name by CFP, however when the issue of the Oneness of God and the total truth of Jesus' name baptism was seen by him, he was repabtized again so as to be identified with the 'New Issue'. These are all recorded by Ethel Goss, Frank Ewart and others in their writings.

[Jay]

Note: just because it is recorded somewhere or said somewhere that a person baptizes "in Jesus' Name" does not mean that the name of Jesus is spoken by them at baptism. It could mean that the person baptizes as authorized by Jesus or by His authority. Some believe that Jesus authorized His disciples in Matthew 28:19 to speak the FS&HG words and so when they baptize "in His name" or "by His authority" or "as authorized by Him," they actually repeat the FS&HG words and do not say the name "Jesus"

However, this is not the true sense of the phrase as you would then encounter the issue of Scriptural contradiction between Matthew, Mark, and Luke. The Bible says that He commanded them to preach and baptize all nations, remission of sins was to be preached in His name, baptism was to be done in the name (notice the explicit singularity) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and lastly Peter preached that baptism should be in the name (again explicitly singular) of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Peter obeyed the explicit command of our Lord to baptize using His name as His is the only name that can be used to save from sin. All power is given to Him and is expressed in His name. He is one God and His Name Is One.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Jay

However, this is not the true sense of the phrase as you would then encounter the issue of Scriptural contradiction between Matthew, Mark, and Luke. The Bible says that He commanded them to preach and baptize all nations, remission of sins was to be preached in His name, baptism was to be done in the name (notice the explicit singularity) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and lastly Peter preached that baptism should be in the name (again explicitly singular) of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Peter obeyed the explicit command of our Lord to baptize using His name as His is the only name that can be used to save from sin. All power is given to Him and is expressed in His name. He is one God and His Name Is One.

The bible does not support a "singular" name for F,S, HS. "In the name" means in the authority of that name.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by seekerman

It would be interesting to list the Apostolic preachers in the 1800s. Anyone want to take a shot at it?

During the 1800s, there's no problem finding Baptist preachers, Methodist preachers, Presbyterian preachers, Mormon preachers, Roman Catholic preachers, Church of Christ preachers, Seventh Day Adventist preachers, Jehovah Witness preachers, Lutheran preachers, Anglican preachers, Eastern orthodox preachers, Unitarian preachers, Amish preachers, Mennonite preachers....just to name a few, but no Apostolic preachers.

Anyone want to take a shot of listing the Apostolic preachers during the 1800s? Or maybe suggest a theory of why there is no record of any Apostolic preachers or churches until they SUDDENLY!!! appeared around 1913?

Anyone?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

You just lost Elder Epley at "lady preacher", lol......

One would hope.