Obama For Mosque at Ground Zero

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Esther

If you don't a you are missing a lot of news.

Yes, yes, yes, And Obama is the anti-Christ. Send Hagee a check for a hundred dollars. He'll use it to eat more.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

There isn't a Supreme Court .... even with CONSERVATIVE judges in all nine slots that would disagree ... whether your appeals to emotionalism and blatant conjecture as to HIS MOTIVE.

They have the CONSTITUTIONAL right, Prax and any high-falutin, sophomoric argumentation he has butt smelling fetish is just Praxeas being Praxeas ... and perhaps some repressed desire.

I never said there was a court that would agree. I consistently said they HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL right. See what drinking the kool aid does to people?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Wait a minute....isn't that what YOU and every other person, pretty much, on this forum wants to do with Christianity? You want to, they want to.

Not really. Christians want to spread Christianity as a message. They do not, as a religion, want to force Christianity on everyone and establish Christian based theocracies instead of democracies

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Again it's NOT an issue of constitutionality but local laws. Apparently there are no local laws that prevent them building the mosque, but due to zoning laws Im sure there is a reason BP can't planht a fuel tank farm, whatever that is

Um ... maybe you know more than the mayor of New York City and the who too is sworn to enforce local laws of a city you know nothing about ...and LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION who has decided on zoning at least from a historical landmarks perspective ... can you point to the zoning laws and gov't regulation you'd use to suppress liberty???? ....

http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgo...&rc=1194&ndi=1

That their are fear mongerers who would appeal to polls, mob rule and what other countries is another story.

I love when conseva-kooks appeal to government regulation ....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I never said there was a court that would agree. I consistently said they HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL right. See what drinking the kool aid does to people?

Kuwaiti and Saudi nationals "HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT" to build a mosque in Manhattan?

Please show me where it says that in the US Constitution.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Kuwaiti and Saudi nationals "HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT" to build a mosque in Manhattan?

Please show me where it says that in the US Constitution.

Is this an American non-for profit? Are there American muslims who would worship there?

It would be their mosque as well.

As it stands mosques ... churches under non for profit and church laws ... these places of worship usually don't belong to just a handful of individuals ... or the cleric alone.

This is sad ... if this were a Christian church receiving foreign funding ..... you'd you be as intolerant and anal?

Are you telling me .. that a Spanish speaking Apostolic church doesn't have protections under the Constitution if they receive a bulk of their donations from other countries even if many of its members are legalized citizens? Asinine.

This seems like thou protesteth too much ... and the question is why?

[pelathais]

You rose colored glasses guys are about to see just how Islam has been so successful in spreading its grip on humanity.

1. Infiltration and Taqiyya (deceit)

2. Imposition of Sharia - at first "just for Muslims" - then forced upon everyone else

3. Replacement of Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist and other houses of worship with mosques and the prohibition against building new non-Muslim houses of worship and ever prohibiting the repair and maintenance of existing structures

4. The Islamisation of the country and gene pool by forcing young girls into Muslim marriages and government subsidies for Muslims who marry and "convert" a "spouse" to Islam

Indonesia became the largest Muslim country in the world within just a little over 100 years by following these steps. Nigeria has proven a harder nut to crack - but they're half way there already. Sudan required some "ethnic cleansing" - no big deal.

Of course India is the world's largest open wound and has been ever since the Muslim invasion.

How will we fare?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You rose colored glasses guys are about to see just how Islam has been so successful in spreading its grip on humanity.

1. Infiltration and Taqiyya (deceit)

2. Imposition of Sharia - at first "just for Muslims" - then forced upon everyone else

3. Replacement of Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist and other houses of worship with mosques and the prohibition against building new non-Muslim houses of worship and ever prohibiting the repair and maintenance of existing structures

4. The Islamisation of the country and gene pool by forcing young girls into Muslim marriages and government subsidies for Muslims who marry and "convert" a "spouse" to Islam

Indonesia became the largest Muslim country in the world within just a little over 100 years by following these steps. Nigeria has proven a harder nut to crack - but they're half way there already. Sudan required some "ethnic cleansing" - no big deal.

Of course India is the world's largest open wound and has been ever since the Muslim invasion.

How will we fare?

Oh boy .... Muslim invasion ... instead of the Christian theocracy some propose ... oh joy.

We can appeal to extremists on both sides but resorting to conspiratorial rhetoric while acting like our Constitution can be pimped for our own agendas ... while trampled when it suits us ... makes this type of thinking just as Sharia-like ...

Liberty is being test by extremists on both sides ...

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Is this an American non-for profit? Are there American muslims who would worship there?

It would be their mosque as well.

As it stands mosques ... churches under non for profit and church laws ... these places of worship usually don't belong to just a handful of individuals ... or the cleric alone.

This is sad ... if this were a Christian church receiving foreign funding ..... you'd you be as intolerant and anal?

Are you telling me .. that a Spanish speaking Apostolic church doesn't have protections under the Constitution if they receive a bulk of their donations from other countries even if many of its members are legalized citizens? Asinine.

Real classy "dialog," Butthead.

What I was asking was, does the First Amendment protect the religious proselytizing being done from abroad? Of course, American Christian activity seeks to propagate its Gospel by doing this in reverse, and American Christian missionaries are shut out of most Muslim nations.

So, why does our First Amendment protect foreign interests within the United States? It's a complex issue that only a pinhead would reduce to name calling.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Real classy "dialog," Butthead.

What I was asking was, does the First Amendment protect the religious proselytizing being done from abroad? Of course, American Christian activity seeks to propagate its Gospel by doing this in reverse, and American Christian missionaries are shut out of most Muslim nations.

So, why does our First Amendment protect foreign interests within the United States? It's a complex issue that only a pinhead would reduce to name calling.

I don't give a rat's tail what they do ... are we going to theologically and politically consistent or pick and choose our churches and places of worship when it suits us is what those of us in the middle are asking?

You ask a leading question ... about the First Amendment but don't address the questions I pose ...

Sorry Pela ... but I ain't Esther or Doug White ... no rabbit trails where you play prosecutor ....

All I hear are those who act like they have a corner on Constitutional values and limited gov't but propose it upon convenience.