The catching away

[Godsdrummer]

Easter
let me echo Mike I was raise the way you beleive in prophecy, I preached it for 40+ years ever since I was about 10. I always had a good understanding of scripture. I recieved the spirit of God when I was 7. I am also a minister. I carried licence with UPCI 10 years, started a church and assisted several others I say this only to let you know I am not a novice. 6 years ago someone gave me a bible study titled the 70 weeks of Daniel. Mike can tell you how to get this if you want. The first time I read it I saw the correctness in the message but it was not what I beleived. It took me 3 years of study on my own to accept what I knew from the start was truth. But I had to get it for myself.
I echo your veiw "thank God it is not a salvational issue" But it does make a differance in the way you view your walk with God.
God Bless
Loren

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Easter
let me echo Mike I was raise the way you beleive in prophecy, I preached it for 40+ years ever since I was about 10. I always had a good understanding of scripture. I recieved the spirit of God when I was 7. I am also a minister. I carried licence with UPCI 10 years, started a church and assisted several others I say this only to let you know I am not a novice. 6 years ago someone gave me a bible study titled the 70 weeks of Daniel. Mike can tell you how to get this if you want. The first time I read it I saw the correctness in the message but it was not what I beleived. It took me 3 years of study on my own to accept what I knew from the start was truth. But I had to get it for myself.
I echo your veiw "thank God it is not a salvational issue" But it does make a differance in the way you view your walk with God.
God Bless
Loren

Amen brother.

I found that when I was in the days of taking what was handed to me, I spent hours hearing their tapes and memorizing how they correlated scriptures together. It took hours, but it was not my own studies. I suspect many are doing this with prophecy. The fact is that God intended all the body members of the church to be able to learn the truths of prophecy from their own bibles as well as any other issue in the bible. But some folks let the pastors do all their study for them. And it has come to a situation where people are faithful to their pastor, so they refuse to hear anything different than what their pastor taught them, or at least what teacher their pastor told them to follow in this issue.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen brother.

I found that when I was in the days of taking what was handed to me, I spent hours hearing their tapes and memorizing how they correlated scriptures together. It took hours, but it was not my own studies. I suspect many are doing this with prophecy. The fact is that God intended all the body members of the church to be able to learn the truths of prophecy from their own bibles as well as any other issue in the bible. But some folks let the pastors do all their study for them. And it has come to a situation where people are faithful to their pastor, so they refuse to hear anything different than what their pastor taught them, or at least what teacher their pastor told them to follow in this issue.

Amen amen lol
You said memorizingain't that the truth. I don't know how many I heard teach on "end times" I still could not get it into my heart no matter how I tried. Here is one of the biggest things for me you had to memorize what was symbolic, what was literal, and what happened at Christ time, and what was future.

But the Glory of the kingdom of God is so great when you see things from the right persepective. God rules today from his throne we are kings and priest today we have the power to conquor satan. He is a defeated foe!!! The only power satan has is the power we give him. I wont to give a testimony that happened to me two years ago. we had been out of UPCI for 3 years at this time and were moving back to our home town. My middle daughter and her husband had been attending the church we attend now. So on the first sunday after we moved Pastor Joey spoke a word of prophecy to me. Long story short I don't remember what he said only that at the beginning it fit what I was going through at the time. Now the mirricle of this, my life has never been the same. Bro Blume we came out of a body of beleivers that said they had the whole truth, the gifts of the spirit etc. but the only gift I ever saw was tongues and interpretation in 4o plus years.

I say this for Easters benifit don't get locked into one beleif rather continue to study to show yourself approved a workman that needeth not to be found a shamed rightly dividing the word. If I had not been willing to study into the standards of holiness that I had been taught my whole life and allow God to show me they were traditions of man. 20 plus years ago I never would have been sensitive to God to leave the denomination I was raised in and and have the blessing that God gave me two years ago. God restored more love, joy, and Peace to my heart than I have had in years on top of that he made a change in my physical body and mind that has never happened to me. I have never been a morning person, I would drag myself from bed it funny to think about right now but I had thing timed in the mornings I new just when I had to leave I would hit the snooze button till the last minute. After the word given to me I beat the alarm most days or I get right up with the alarm. My attitude is up beat, when someone ask me how I am and I say wonderful that is not just a platitude I am wonderful.
I hope you see what I am trying to get accross here. God wants to take his children to new hieghts in him. But he can't do that if we are stuck in the mud of our traditions.

Be blessed

[easter]

There are some who probably do memorize the preacher and the bible but to be honest a preacher has to be pretty darn good to hold my attention
Now I don't mean that disrespectful.It's the truth.
What I have learned is from my own studies.Yes!Believe it or not other people who are not preachers can study and learn the word.The same Spirit of truth who is the one that leads us in the word.God is no respecter of persons.Thing is I don't think a person who don't study the Bible can understand bits and pieces from a preacher.No the only way to get the word in your spirit is by studying the word.Those who get the word in their spirit,that is how the Holy Spirit recalls scripture to mind.Besides all this I don't take no man's word on the Bible without reading for myself.To do so would be foolish.

Now there is one thing that I have put MY OWN studies into is the "CATCHING AWAY" and there is no man's teachings on this earth that could influence me away from the truth.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by easter

There are some who probably do memorize the preacher and the bible but to be honest a preacher has to be pretty darn good to hold my attention
Now I don't mean that disrespectful.It's the truth.
What I have learned is from my own studies.Yes!Believe it or not other people who are not preachers can study and learn the word.The same Spirit of truth who is the one that leads us in the word.God is no respecter of persons.Thing is I don't think a person who don't study the Bible can understand bits and pieces from a preacher.No the only way to get the word in your spirit is by studying the word.Those who get the word in their spirit,that is how the Holy Spirit recalls scripture to mind.Besides all this I don't take no man's word on the Bible without reading for myself.To do so would be foolish.

Now there is one thing that I have put MY OWN studies into is the "CATCHING AWAY" and there is no man's teachings on this earth that could influence me away from the truth.

Like I said, everyone is supposed to get hold of truths, even about prophecy, from their own bibles. You're right!

But where did you get the idea that antichrist is a man called the beast in Rev 13, though? It is not from the bible. The bible says antichrist is a spirit that denies Jesus came in flesh. It says antichrist people are those who left the church and denied the truth -- they were among us and left us. How does that fit the pic of the beast? There is nothing similar or remotely close to a military leader who takes over the world when you read about antichrist in 1 John and 2 John. You did not get that from the bible, Easter. Someone told that to you. I had them tell it to me, too!

We're just saying to open up and consider what we are saying.

Too many people hear our thoughts and immediately look for fault, which is not hearing a matter out as Proverbs tells us to do. Someone close to me admitted that to me. He said he knew what people were doing, since he did it himself. While I was speaking, he was only looking for fault, since he assumed he was right and could not be wrong. When he caught himself doing that, and realized he was not being honest, he considered what I said and gave it a chance in his mind so he could honestly with open mind see if the bible did teach it. Then he agreed with me!

All I am asking is to not look for fault in it, but consider it just in case it is God trying to show you more truth. You obviously have a great love for truth. I sense that. So do I!

And when this view I propose is emphasized by telling people to let the bible interpret itself, and it goes along with clear statements Jesus, Himself, said, I think you will find it more biblically sound. the only way people think it does not line up with the Word is because it does not agree with the way THEY INTERPRET the word. What if their key to interpretation is wrong?

I did a lengthy study that detailed the beliefs I hold using a solid and biblical hermeneutical approach. As you probably know, Hermeneutics is carefully following the bible texts and letting it teach us rather than imposing assumed beliefs we got from people into it. And that study I made is found here:

http://rightlydividingtheword.com/articles/herm1.htm

I have to admit I felt an anointing from the Lord on me when I wrote that and I was able to very clearly and succinctly lay out my thoughts as I wanted to. I just ask you check it out. And may the Lord continue to lead us all into all truth.

[easter]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Like I said, everyone is supposed to get hold of truths, even about prophecy, from their own bibles. You're right!

But where did you get the idea that antichrist is a man called the beast in Rev 13, though? It is not from the bible. The bible says antichrist is a spirit that denies Jesus came in flesh. It says antichrist people are those who left the church and denied the truth -- they were among us and left us. How does that fit the pic of the beast? There is nothing similar or remotely close to a military leader who takes over the world when you read about antichrist in 1 John and 2 John. You did not get that from the bible, Easter. Someone told that to you. I had them tell it to me, too!

We're just saying to open up and consider what we are saying.

Too many people hear our thoughts and immediately look for fault, which is not hearing a matter out as Proverbs tells us to do. Someone close to me admitted that to me. He said he knew what people were doing, since he did it himself. While I was speaking, he was only looking for fault, since he assumed he was right and could not be wrong. When he caught himself doing that, and realized he was not being honest, he considered what I said and gave it a chance in his mind so he could honestly with open mind see if the bible did teach it. Then he agreed with me!

All I am asking is to not look for fault in it, but consider it just in case it is God trying to show you more truth. You obviously have a great love for truth. I sense that. So do I!

And when this view I propose is emphasized by telling people to let the bible interpret itself, and it goes along with clear statements Jesus, Himself, said, I think you will find it more biblically sound. the only way people think it does not line up with the Word is because it does not agree with the way THEY INTERPRET the word. What if their key to interpretation is wrong?

I did a lengthy study that detailed the beliefs I hold using a solid and biblical hermeneutical approach. As you probably know, Hermeneutics is carefully following the bible texts and letting it teach us rather than imposing assumed beliefs we got from people into it. And that study I made is found here:

http://rightlydividingtheword.com/articles/herm1.htm

I have to admit I felt an anointing from the Lord on me when I wrote that and I was able to very clearly and succinctly lay out my thoughts as I wanted to. I just ask you check it out. And may the Lord continue to lead us all into all truth.

Bro.Blume "The Antichrist is another name for "The Man Of Perdition"
The Man of Sin,This Man of Perdition is titled Antichrist.The beast,the little horn,the Lawless one,the Man of sin,the man of Perdition is (the Antichrist) this is plain and clear in the scriptures.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by easter

Bro.Blume "The Antichrist is another name for "The Man Of Perdition"
The Man of Sin,This Man of Perdition is titled Antichrist.The beast,the little horn,the Lawless one,the Man of sin,the man of Perdition is (the Antichrist) this is plain and clear in the scriptures.

Easter

Here is the thing, Mike has given you scripture for all of his thoughts but you have not. Where does it say the man of perdition is titled the ant-christ? Or any of the others you have said for that matter.

[shag]

Easter, did you read thru Bro. Blume's hermeneutics article that he posted?

[easter]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Easter

Here is the thing, Mike has given you scripture for all of his thoughts but you have not. Where does it say the man of perdition is titled the ant-christ? Or any of the others you have said for that matter.

Godsdrummer if you preached this for 40 years you know there is scripture backing up what I'm saying.I will post these scriptures this afternoon when I get a chance.
The thing that gets me is how you folks believe that the day of the Lord has already happened.Now if this were true there would be an account of this event.The church was very young and don't you think when John was given the Revelation that this"THE DAY OF THE LORD" would have failed to be mentioned?
You know Revelation was written(ca. 96 AD )
I'll give you scripture because Jesus warned you about hearing he had already come,he told you not to believe it.I'll give you that scripture also.

[Raven]

I'm afraid we may have a long, long wait for the scriptures concerning the anti-christ!
Raven