What is the purpose of Hell? - Page 9

Aquila · #81 11-02-2009, 08:18 PM

Derech... Jesus came to save the world...

John 12:47. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Will he fail?

easter · #82 11-02-2009, 08:18 PM

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Problem with this theory is...
They did not reject Christ.They received an opportunity to accept Jesus as their Lord and savior.
Jesus told us to spread the gospel all over the earth.The one's that hear the gospel since the cross until now have the opportunity to accept him.The ones that don't,the ones who reject Christ,there is no other sacrifice for their sins.Then what?

what about this in light of your theory?

Aquila · #83 11-02-2009, 08:23 PM

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what about this in light of your theory?

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Hebrews 7:25. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Christ is able to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him... please note... he EVER LIVETH to make intercession for those who will come to God through Him. That means Jesus NEVER stops interceding for man... not even after death.

Please note the words of Paul...

Romans 8:37-39
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

God's love doesn't end upon death... God's love is relentless. Christ died to reconcile all souls to himself. Because of the cross Satan wins NOTHING.

Michael The Disciple · #84 11-02-2009, 08:27 PM

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Aquila

The truth is that Jesus preached the Gospel to disobedient souls during his three days in Hell.

If it be this way consider this. Why did he ONLY offer this second chance salvation to the sinners in Noahs time? What about the sinners in Abrahams time? In Jacobs time? In Moses time? In Davids time? In Elijahs time?

Why only Noahs generation supposedly gets a free pass from Hell?

Aquila · #85 11-02-2009, 08:29 PM

Jesus declared...

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth (meaning be crucified), will draw all men unto me.

Christ's cross is what allows for the reconciliation of all men.

DerechHashem · #86 11-02-2009, 08:31 PM

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At the end of it all... none refuse him.

Philippians 2: 10-11. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Psalm 22:27. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

Colossians 1: 16 and 20. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Acts 3: 20 and 21 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

I John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 12:47. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world

John 4:42. Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Hebrews 7:25. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

First Corinthians 15: 22 and 26. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Romans 11:32 and 36. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen

Psalms 90: 3. Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

Lamentations 3: 31-32. For the Lord will not cast off for ever: But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.

Isaiah 2: 2. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Psalms 86: 9. All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.

Philippians 2: 10-11 Even Satan will bend knee and confess and and I surely doubt he is saved? (Ezek 28:13-19) Thus implies even the wicked wiil bend and confess. This verse comes from Isaiah:

Isaiah 35:20-25 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye [that are] escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god [that] cannot save. Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Surely, shall [one] say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: [even] to him shall [men] come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

This surely does not mean the whole of creation is saved.

DerechHashem · #87 11-02-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If it be this way consider this. Why did he ONLY offer this second chance salvation to the sinners in Noahs time? What about the sinners in Abrahams time? In Jacobs time? In Moses time? In Davids time? In Elijahs time?

Why only Noahs generation supposedly gets a free pass from Hell?

They did not get a free pass, the gospel was preached for over a hundred years while Noah was building the ark, they refuse to hearken, in which only Noah and his family were saved.

Others could have entered into the ark, they refused.

easter · #88 11-02-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

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Hebrews 7:25. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Christ is able to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him... please note... he EVER LIVETH to make intercession for those who will come to God through Him. That means Jesus NEVER stops interceding for man... not even after death.

Please note the words of Paul...

Romans 8:37-39
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

God's love doesn't end upon death... God's love is relentless. Christ died to reconcile all souls to himself. Because of the cross Satan wins NOTHING.

This sounds good but...
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Then of course it goes on to say in Revelation 21 there will be a new Heaven and new earth and so forth and then it says tears will be wiped away(tears?) and all things made new.

There isn't nothing more said about those who are cast into the fire?Seems like if those souls were purified,brought out of the fire,the Bible would mention it.

DerechHashem · #89 11-02-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus declared...

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth (meaning be crucified), will draw all men unto me.

Christ's cross is what allows for the reconciliation of all men.

If all men are saved at the moment of his death, then why does the gospel need to be preached, salvation is no longer an issue.

Aquila · #90 11-02-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If it be this way consider this. Why did he ONLY offer this second chance salvation to the sinners in Noahs time? What about the sinners in Abrahams time? In Jacobs time? In Moses time? In Davids time? In Elijahs time?

Why only Noahs generation supposedly gets a free pass from Hell?

I believe Noah's time is specifically mentioned here because it is part of an allusion to water baptism. We also read...

1 Peter 4:6
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Ephesians 4:8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

It was more than just Noah's generation.