"death panels" obamacare

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

We keep showing you and you don't get it.

He lied about which hospital he was born in and will keep lying about the care he promises from hospitals.

QUEENS???



Full quote from Obama in 2003:

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003.

Check out the part of her post I put in bold and then try again.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

The IRS will of course have to go to employers and collect insurance premium. They will also have to collect tax and fines from companies that don't have full State coverage and for the 4 or 8% to cover the non employees. The IRS will be the weapon to see how much money providors make and show ways they can bet the prices down. 1000 Advil wholesale to a hospital pharmacy is 5 dollars. They do not sell this quantity and package to Walmart for resale. Obama will have his people bully at every transaction. Today there was even mumbling about buying some drugs from Canada. The IRS may be needed if rationing takes place and the IRS can track people paying to reduce their wait times.
Whenever you impose severe and choking controls, there are fears of people beating the system.

That's every president, no just Obama. The IRS is a convoluted mess of a program that has ton of power that is unwarranted.[/QUOTE]

We agree!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Check out the part of her post I put in bold and then try again.

So you say he lied? He didn't say single payer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY9...layer_embedded

03/24/2007 single payer before end of first administration

i KNEW YOU DIDN'T GET IT. Watch again. And again. It takes you many times to catch what he promises.

But he lies. He lied about Queens hospital and he may be lying now. flip flops are broken promises.

Even Gay Barney says they want single payer. He admits it may be difficult from the beginning.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

She's never admitted to it.

I'm assuming that she knows how to read and it's clear for anyone who can read that there is absolutely no possibility of "death panels" under this legislation.

That's either a total fabrication of her imagination or a lie used to get her name in the press because of it's outlandishness.

No one in their right mind can read that legislation and come up with "death panels".

I'm in step with the Republican from Georgia on this. "How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts,”

Do you honestly want to know what the plan calls these "panels"?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

So you say he lied? He didn't say single payer?



03/24/2007 single payer before end of first administration

i KNEW YOU DIDN'T GET IT. Watch again. And again. It takes you many times to catch what he promises.

But he lies. He lied about Queens hospital and he may be lying now. flip flops are broken promises.

Even Gay Barney says they want single payer. He admits it may be difficult from the beginning.

That's not what I was asking, and you would know that if you took the time to read to read the post.

She said "He said very recently that he never said he was for a one-payer system."

That was the part I put in bold. That is what we need the source on.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

That's not what I was asking, and you would know that if you took the time to read to read the post.

She said "He said very recently that he never said he was for a one-payer system."

That was the part I put in bold. That is what we need the source on.

Not sure what you are trying to say here Twisp?

Obama did say he was a proponet of single payer system. He also recently denied saying that.

Are you saying that doesn't count because now he has changed his mind?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Esther

Not sure what you are trying to say here Twisp?

Obama did say he was a proponet of single payer system. He also recently denied saying that.

Are you saying that doesn't count because now he has changed his mind?

This is the second time I have put it in bold and asked for the source for this. Not sure why this hard to understand.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

This is the second time I have put it in bold and asked for the source for this. Not sure why this hard to understand.

I have heard it twice today on the radio. Try and find it on you tube.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Esther

I have heard it twice today on the radio. Try and find it on you tube.

Since you can't post a source that he denied ever being for a single payer system, we have to imagine it is more misinformation.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Since you can't post a source that he denied ever being for a single payer system, we have to imagine it is more misinformation.

Well you imagine whatever suits you. I HEARD him more than once on two different stations say exactly what I told you. But it is obvious you don't want to hear the truth regarding Obama.