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Old 06-12-2009, 08:25 AM
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Re: Baptism from God's Perspective

Onot to mention the sign it talks about the Jews needing which I will post

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=393
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:40 AM
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Apparently water is not important Sis Falla according to this in Corithians.........

16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom
One plants, another waters, but only God can give the increase!

In Luke 24, just prior to his ascension, Jesus appeared and ate a meal
with his disciples. He wanted to give them some last minute instructions
before he went away.


44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

They went to the upper room in Jerusalem, rejoicing, expecting, believing
that the Promise of the Father would come to them.

They were tarrying in one mind and accord a few days later and the Promise
of the Father arrived. Read again in Acts 2. Peter's sermon and what happened.

How do we know the disciples knew what to do. Jesus told them and then
opened their understanding that they might understand the scriptures.

They did exactly what Jesus told them to do and they received the Promise
of the Father.

The NT wasn't written then so Jesus was referring to the OT. The law, the
prophets and psalms. Confusion comes when men try to understand with their
own minds. We need the mind of Christ, by the Holy Ghost. The Word of God
proclaims, but the Spirit of Truth illuminates. Sheds light on the Word so that
we may understand the Word. We must have anointed minds and ears to
hear and understand the Word.

Blessings,

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Old 06-12-2009, 08:46 AM
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Why question Jesus! John 3:5,

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Poor example. John 3 has nothing to do with salvation, but the working of miracles, read it carefully...

Verse one clearly defines who came to Jesus...a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews.

1. At that point they were still under the law, the Pharisees were sticklers of the law he wasn't coming to Jesus to find out what they need to do they knew it and lived it to the letter, although not according to the Spirit of the law.

2. He was a ruler...people who rule are rulers, gives us insight as to who this person was.

Verse to tells us that Nick acknowledges that "we know that you are a teacher come from God because no one can do the miracles that you are doing except God be with him.

1. Notice in verse one it was Nicodemus who came, but in verse two he states "we know." He is representing the Pharisees. Why is he representing these "rulers"? Because Jesus is drawing all the people whom they rule away from them.

2. He then states "no one can do these miracles..."

Verse three Jesus answers...what was the question? How are you doing these miracles, NOT how do I get saved. This chapter is TOTALLY taught wrong in most circles.

Jesus then goes into being born of water and the Spirit and how a person taps into this miracle working power of God.

While baptism plays a part, just as being filled with the Spirit plays a part of operating in miracle working power the context of this conversation has nothing to with getting saved.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:48 AM
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Apparently water is not important Sis Falla according to this in Corithians.........

16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom
That scripture has nothing to do with the "importance" of baptism, but the focus of Paul's ministry
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:51 AM
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Re: Baptism from God's Perspective

Thats right Pauls ministry..... and apparently baptism was not important in his ministry....
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Thats right Pauls ministry..... and apparently baptism was not important in his ministry....
Oh of course.... didn't matter at all to Paul! Just don't baptize anymore. Commandments mean nothing and are not important. Just do what you want!

Paul taught on it's importance but it wasn't important at all really even though he decalred it to be our uniting with the death/sacrifice of Christ.... aahhh what's that. It's not really all that important! Baptize however you want and in whoever's name as that don't matter either.
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Hey Luke Paul stated that in the bible not me I was just quoting scripture......Sorry if you don't agree with him...
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Hey Luke Paul stated that in the bible not me I was just quoting scripture......Sorry if you don't agree with him...
oh I agree with him but not your flawed interpretation of one scripture of which goes against everything else he said about baptism. Not including the rest of the Bible. If you are depending on Paul to negate baptism then you are sadly mistaken as most who rely on Paul without proper biblical perspective do so to there own destruction "per Peter"
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So your interpretation is not flawed who said you were the great and powerful OZ...
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Re: Baptism from God's Perspective

I have a question. Where in Scripture do we see the words spoken over a person at the moment of water baptism?

There isn't a formula. It is an act of faith wherein the repentant seeks cleansing, calling on the name of the Lord.

We've ritualized it into a Oneness liturgy.
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