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I can say one good thing about bible colleges... if it wasn't for them, I would not have been born, and by the sound of things, probably half of the people here had parents who met in bible college as well.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Lets get real Friend.

Bible College doesn't help very many land full time ministry positions. You must already have an "in" with the political structure. It takes time for kids who don't have a daddy in the ministry to reach full time status. What do they do in the meantime?

I realize there are a very few exceptions.

Of all those who graduated BC with me, maybe five are in full time ministry now, and it has taken them years to get to that status.

We started out assisting for a few months then moved right into pastoring. Then back to assisting for a year and then back into full time pastoring for a few years. Then 2 terms overseas. Then back to pastoring. We've been involved in full time ministry the whole 33 years.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I meant that BC is a money maker for the BC only.

It also increases attendance at SOME churches close to or affiliated with certain schools. So then who is it benefitting?

The folks at JCM would chuckle at the highlighted assertion!

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Trust me, my friend, good architects will make more than 56K per year. Good welders seldom do.

And you can verify this with what?

Education in our society is not absolutely necessary, but trust me, many more doors will open before you if you have it.

Only if you have the RIGHT education for what you are planning to work at. Most employers don't give a yawn at your pedigree, what they want is SKILL. If it takes education to get skill, fine, but skill it what is needed.

Gasoline is not necessary to make a car move, but it certainly makes the task easier for the pusher/driver.

Yeah, and at 4 bucks a gallon, you better hope you have a good job!

[freeatlast]

I am blessed with one a pastor that is near or at genius level. He speaks English and russian.

His wife speaks 5 languages and has a masters in education.

Pastor came to us 7 years ago @ 28 yrs old with no bible school.

He did have degree in business and also had a level of bible knowledge that he acquired thru self discipline..hitting th e books and studying it out. He was raised int he church and was a champion bible quizzer and then a coach.

He has been taking classes on line and is "the Jonathan program" at UGST, traveling to the 4 hours to St Louis toattend week long sessions.

He'll be finishing up his degree their soon.


BUT Secular Education came first.

The mentality that was prevalent when I came in to church 37 yrs ago..well all my pastors kids dropped out of high school at age 16 and took their GED's and then went into "daddy's used car business"

College was frowned upon...surely no one was strong enough to live for God and go to classes taught by those huministic new age proffesssers.


So SAD to hear that some of this ignorance still is out there in our ranks.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

We started out assisting for a few months then moved right into pastoring. Then back to assisting for a year and then back into full time pastoring for a few years. Then 2 terms overseas. Then back to pastoring. We've been involved in full time ministry the whole 33 years.

Who did you assist?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I meant that BC is a money maker for the BC only.

It also increases attendance at SOME churches close to or affiliated with certain schools. So then who is it benefitting?

LOL! SOunds to me as if you actually think BC's exist to make money. I don't know of too many that even break even.

By the bolded SOME I assume there are some sour grapes in the bunch.

[tv1a]

My first inclination is to wait for the exact transcript. Then again don't waste your money on the junk. I trust your instincts.

That kind of ignorance displayed across the pulpit is one of the reasons I don't take my children to upci sponsored youth events. My kids had the choice to go to a upci youth convention or spend an evening with Joel Osteen in Cleveland. They chose the latter. They got more out two hours with JO than they did with lugging them back and forth to ralleys for years. Next month the kids will be at Rod Parsley's youth convention. When junk like you experience becomes the norm.

A previous pastor of mine had scholarships to the best and brightest schools in the country and gave it up to go to Bible college. But he was a huge supporter of education. He did not reccommend Bible college for anyone until they got an associate degree at a secular institution.

I hope tonight's service goes better for you...tv

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It was NOT improper planning! I did everything I was told to do by my elders.
I drank the kool-aid that every SERIOUS preacher or future pastor needed to attend BC.

This is pushed very hard. As evidenced by the comments from this speaker.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I am blessed with one a pastor that is near or at genius level. He speaks English and russian.

His wife speaks 5 languages and has a masters in education.

Pastor came to us 7 years ago @ 28 yrs old with no bible school.

He did have degree in business and also had a level of bible knowledge that he acquired thru self discipline..hitting th e books and studying it out. He was raised int he church and was a champion bible quizzer and then a coach.

He has been taking classes on line and is "the Jonathan program" at UGST, traveling to the 4 hours to St Louis toattend week long sessions.

He'll be finishing up his degree their soon.


BUT Secular Education came first.

The mentality that was prevalent when I came in to church 37 yrs ago..well all my pastors kids dropped out of high school at age 16 and took their GED's and then went into "daddy's used car business"

College was frowned upon...surely no one was strong enough to live for God and go to classes taught by those huministic new age proffesssers.


So SAD to hear that some of this ignorance still is out there in our ranks.

So now we are all going to tell "Success Stories?" There are plenty on both sides of the issue.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

And you can verify this with what?



Only if you have the RIGHT education for what you are planning to work at. Most employers don't give a yawn at your pedigree, what they want is SKILL. If it takes education to get skill, fine, but skill it what is needed.



Yeah, and at 4 bucks a gallon, you better hope you have a good job!

I have friends who are both, that's how I can verify it. I'm a Project Manager for one of the largest engineering and construction companies in the world, with over 50,000 employees, ranging from architects to engineers to managers. I know what I make, and I know how much I pay the union welders that I employ on my job sites. Good enough?

And, I'm not sure where you live, but in my experience, employers are more concerned about a degree than a skill level when viewing resumes. I'll agree that if you can get your foot in the door somewhere and prove yourself, your experience and skill is more valuable, but trust me on this one, many people without a degree will NEVER have the opportuity to even get in the door to prove themselves.