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06-10-2008, 03:38 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Throughout the bible text Jesus accused people and His own disciples with "lack of faith" when miracles/healings weren't performed.
Once again Jesus heals all, and the problem lies on the reciepent's behalf.
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It still wasn't the receipent's that didn't have enough faith, it was the disciples. Maybe the people that are anointing and praying for others are the ones that don't have enough faith then.
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06-10-2008, 03:40 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
Throughout the bible text Jesus accused people and His own disciples with "lack of faith" when miracles/healings weren't performed.
Once again Jesus heals all, and the problem lies on the reciepent's behalf.
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Jesus told his disciples why THEY could not do certain miracles...because of their faith.
When it came to those that needed a miracle he assured them "Only believe".
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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06-10-2008, 03:42 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Jesus told his disciples why THEY could not do certain miracles...because of their faith.
When it came to those that needed a miracle he assured them "Only believe".
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Right on, brother!
Tell it!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-10-2008, 03:45 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Unfortunately, your comments are based on assumptions. If you care, I'd be willing to dialog with you or any other.
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What was that for???
Anyone's comments on this topic would be assumption since the scriptures don't give true specifics on what the thorn was, especially in the passage being discussed.
But since you seem to feel you have superior knowledge about this topic...enlighten us all so we can sleep tonight in peace and stop the run around arrogant, no answer is as good as mine and you're all a bunch of scriptural nitwits dialog...
If you know the answer...let us have it...otherwise, keep your rude and condescending comments to yourself.
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
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06-10-2008, 03:48 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Jesus told his disciples why THEY could not do certain miracles...because of their faith.
When it came to those that needed a miracle he assured them "Only believe".
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Praxeas,
Here is what Jesus told his disciples:
Matthew 17:20-21
20) And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
The disciples had wavering faith, for that reason they couldn't accomplish the task.
Jesus said "because of your unbelief!"
Jesus then said "nothing shall be impossible to them that believe."
What about "nothing shall be impossible" don't you understand?
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06-10-2008, 03:50 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
Did you do your doctoral dissertation on Paul's thorn?
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06-10-2008, 03:51 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
Praxeas,
Here is what Jesus told his disciples:
Matthew 17:20-21
20) And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
The disciples had wavering faith, for that reason they couldn't accomplish the task.
Jesus said "because of your unbelief!"
Jesus then said "nothing shall be impossible to them that believe."
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Thanks for confirming what I just said. As I said Jesus didn't rebuke those that needed healing but lacked faith. He rebuked his disciples for not having the faith to PERFORM what someone needed, like healing or having a spirit cast out.
Therefore maybe the reason some are not healed among us is due to the lack of faith of those trying to heal them?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-10-2008, 03:51 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
Throughout the bible text Jesus accused people and His own disciples with "lack of faith" when miracles/healings weren't performed.
Once again Jesus heals all, and the problems lie on the reciepent's behalf.
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Really?
So, you're saying that anyone who is NOT healed just doesn't have enough faith?
So, the saints of God who die from illnesses are to blame for their own untimely demise?
The original sin has nothing to do with it?
Please provide scripture for your outlandish viewpoint.
Oh, by the way, to extend your train of thought, if someone has enough faith they will live forever, right?
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06-10-2008, 03:57 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Therefore maybe the reason some are not healed among us is due to the lack of faith of those trying to heal them?
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Absolutely.........Also, at times God reveals why the person you prayed for wasn't healed.
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06-10-2008, 04:01 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Absolutely.........Also, at times God reveals why the person you prayed for wasn't healed.
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So, let me get this straight - if the person being prayed for DOES have faith, but the person praying for the DOES NOT have faith, the person may not be healed?
If so, that doesn't sound very fair.
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