Tithing…Is it a command? - Page 85

Sean · #**841** 10-06-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

That is what the old testament is written for. I preached from my Habakuk last night. Although the fig tree shall not blossom and the olive shall fail.......... I will rejoice in the God of my salvation. Sean your whole bible is important not just the NT. The apostles quoted and made reference from things in the law so it is apostolic to do so.

Just remember this my brother.....it all points FORWARD to a cross.

It is AFTER the cross that the church is starving for and not being fed from these days!

I heard O.T stories all my years. I was NOT being fed as a Christian....i think you know what I mean...

Sean · #**842** 10-06-2014, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Sean you put your self in the place of God to say who will God is going to bless for doing certain things. This man tithing is personal and as he has said he does it unto the Lord not man. You are doing the same thing that you are accusing tithe preachers of doing. You are telling them they are going to hell for tithing and that God isn't going to bless them unless they stop. You are very mixed up. God maybe working something in untraditional's life that may be the reason for his hardships right now. Life isn't always going to be good. There are going to be times of prosperity and times of famine in life. this is natural.

Nope, I am just trying to get his head screwed on straight and NOT try to manipulate our God into rebuking the devourer of Malachi. When he realizes that, the Lord CAN actually bless him. The Lord does not want to "trick" him into thinking the Law, which is ended for the believer, is "blessable"

good samaritan · #**843** 10-06-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, I would like to ask you to just "glance" at this site.....http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/

It is the best non tithing site I have seen and then you could truly understand what helped me get into my mindset.

I may check it out later, but I have already searched the web and read countless people's arguments and they are right. I am not saying tithing is mandatory, but none can say it is not biblical. Every person is free to choose what they give and I am out line to tell them they or going to hell for the amount. You are doing that very thing though (telling tithers they are going to hell or not blessed).

With all my heart I feel I should tithe. I am not fearful that if I don't God isn't going to bless me. I am just thankful for what he has already done. If tithing has made you feel in such bondage in your past maybe you shouldn't tithe. It is personal and the only law we have as that of love. I love God so do things just as an act of my love to God.

good samaritan · #**844** 10-06-2014, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Nope, I am just trying to get his head screwed on straight and NOT try to manipulate our God into rebuking the devourer of Malachi. When he realizes that, the Lord CAN actually bless him. The Lord does not want to "trick" him into thinking the Law, which is ended for the believer, is "blessable"

Sean look back and see how many times the curse in malachi is mentioned over the last several pages of this thread. I don't believe it is being mentioned. I have been telling you and others that it is good to tithe and not that it is mandatory for salvation. There is no curse being thrown around except you saying that if untraditional will quit tithing his curse will be lifted.

good samaritan · #**845** 10-06-2014, 09:47 AM

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The Lord does not want to "trick" him into thinking the Law, which is ended for the believer, is "blessable"

There is no tricks. Anything you do for God is blessable aside from sin. For getting up this morning and saying think you Jesus there is a blessing. If there is some man manipulating untraditional or making him tithe out of fear he should seek God's direction of where to be, but has already said it is his choice. My finances haven't been good for the last several years and a lot of it has to do with my decision to devote my time to the ministry. I quit the best job(financially speaking) I have ever had because the hours were interferring with my relationship with God. Money shouldn't mean so much to people. I gladly tithe because I want to know that.

good samaritan · #**846** 10-06-2014, 09:52 AM

I encourage people to simplify their lives get out debt and work less hours or free up their wife so both don't have to work. The people who tithe at my church I would rather see them tithe less and have more time for their families and the kingdom of God. More people means more church income. I don't want to see the same two or three families drained dry to take care of church finances AND ministries.

good samaritan · #**847** 10-06-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Just remember this my brother.....it all points FORWARD to a cross.

It is AFTER the cross that the church is starving for and not being fed from these days!

I heard O.T stories all my years. I was NOT being fed as a Christian....i think you know what I mean...

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Friend the church is not starving for the message of the cross, but the sinner. The church is to go on to perfection. I don't mean that we don't make mistakes but we should be striving to grow in our faith in God. We shouldn't just set around always thinking that we need constant forgiveness for all the things we are doing wrong that we should have quit doing along time ago.

I don't know what you mean.

Aquila · #**848** 10-06-2014, 10:03 AM

There is a HISTORY behind the tithe and how it was integrated into Christianity by the Catholics. Study your history.

Rudy · #**849** 10-06-2014, 10:16 AM

Well, we know the overseers in the beginning did not teach tithing money, food, or anything else. I wonder why these orgs require it taught?

We just keep going in circles over this issue. No forced tithing people launch out and start a work. Most pro-tithers of money will not stop teaching it and many saints are too afraid to stop.

These orgs are clubs that require tithes of money. It's their club and that's what they require. Want to join the Amish? Ok, men grow a beard--club rules!

Non-tithers start a work.

seguidordejesus · #**850** 10-06-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Let me state this clearly, I do not tithe to the Church, nor do I tithe to my Bishop. I tithe as unto the Lord. It is an act of obedience and worship. And, despite my family going through hard right now, I am still worshiping and being obedient to the tithe. Why? Because something my Bishop said, or something some prosperity preacher said? No, because I look at the Cross, and see my life, and Jesus is worth it.

Now, please understand the difference between tithing and offerings. I give an offering as unto the Lord as well, and He does bless this as well. I support the man and woman of God through my offerings to them as unto the Lord, because a workman is worthy of his/her hire. As a minister, I do not elevate myself. No. I hold myself to a higher standard, a stronger standard. Therein is the difference. I am no mediator. I am simply someone who God has called to use where I am where He wants me to be how He wants.

Sean, I do not know who hurt you. I wish they would repent of this before you, and come and ask forgiveness. I do pray, however, that God would allow your heart as well to be humbled before Him so that He would minister healing and hope more than you ever thought possible.

Where do you go to church now? Do you have a blog?