George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Yes I have, but I work during the day and cannot watch the entire case, frame by frame, as everything unfolds.

It might be a good idea to hear the evidence and witness accounts before finding the "innocent until proven guilty" defendant guilty.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

This case is about a dead 17 year old and a neighborhood watch guy who was trained to follow, but not to confront.

Did GZ "confront" TM? There is no proof of that.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't think he had the intent of killing the first potential intruder he saw when he left his apartment to go to Target that Sunday night.

I do think he was aggressive beyond the scope of duty for a neighborhood watch and his actions should not be protected by our laws.

He is protected by our self defense laws, FL's specifically. At least, that is what the evidence has clearly shown so far.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

When did the dead 17 year old circle the defendant's car-- before or after he made the phone call to the police? A lot sure can happen in the very few minutes of time-- the time between he hung up the phone with the police and the time when the gunshot was heard.

How is it that the defendant who had taken courses to become a police officer, completed courses to earn a concealed-carry permit, "never heard" of the SYG law down here?


If the defendant would take the stand, the prosecution would poke a bunch of holes in his story-- but the prosecution's tactics has made it not likely for the defendant to take the stand.

TM was the aggressor. GZ was simply following the young man. He straddled GZ in a MMA style ground and pound and was swinging away. Then he reached for GZ's gun. There are witnesses that corroborate

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Subdued

And personally, I don't care what the "majority" think should have happened to GZ. The "majority" are clueless as to what happened. lol What's important is the evidence and proof - not "gut feelings," opinions, and wishes.

they probably aren't even following the trial to hear the evidence. They've already convicted him, like JD, not based on facts or the law but on emotion

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

No, the police in Sanford did not speak to "all the witnesses" within the less than 12 hours they took to decide to let the defendant go home.

The reason why the police chief in Sanford was let go was due to, in large part, to the inconsistencies in what should have happened in the investigation process and what really happened in the investigation process.

Remember, the lead detective initially did not want to let the defendant go home that night/early morning.

He was let go because of political pressure to please the growing unrest in the community over the misconception the media made of the case before all the evidence could be examined.

It's not uncommon to not charge someone right off the bat...it took a week before they charged Aaron Hernandez with murder even though he seemed like a suspect from the get go

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It wouldn't be the first time, it won't be the last time, it doesn't make it the right thing to do and it is PREPOSTEROUS to use this logic excuse the killing of an unarmed 17 year old who felt threatened by the actions and demeanor of the self-appointed neighborhood watch.

Racial profiling is the same thing as racial prejudice. Conversely, racial prejudice is not the same thing as racism.

I would profile as well, based on specific descriptions of those caught committing crimes in my neighborhood. Who wouldn't?

Having said that, I do not believe GZ profiled all blacks in a general sense. Again, there is absolutely no proof of that. I was being facetious when I said that the entire neighborhood was profiling. My point was, many of the criminals were indeed black and were in fact older teens. This person (TM) matched the description of someone(s) who was breaking into houses in that specific neighborhood.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

The little indiscrpencys in GZ story are not big enough to amount to anything JD other Prosecutors and Defense Lawyers have already stated that and the fact that he has taken self defense classes mean nothing, cause his resume stated he wanted to be a Defense Lawyer and not a "Wana be cop". Anyone with a conceal carry in FL knows the laws and how they work...

the so called dependency happened on a Television program with Sean Hannity.

GZ sounded nervous. I don't believe he was really thinking coherently about what he was being asked at first

[n david]

If you haven't watched the trial and testimony, you really shouldn't be making claims about the case.

I though GZ was guilty of manslaughter before the trial started. I've watched all but 1/2 hr if this trial.

Your statements about GZ following TM, SYG, and "profiling" have all been discussed.

I understand your willful ignorance to consider the actual facts as have been presented in trial testimony. I have yet to find one black person who will put aside the racial component and strictly view the State's case.

Spam all the links you want, the reason for the demonstrations is MSNBC, Sharpton and white occupy wall street types who just love to make trouble. Sure, each demonstration was set up locally, but the root was Sharpton and the msm.

The ME stated he found more research which changed his opinion that TM's level of marijuana did in fact have an affect. The Pros - De la Rionda met the ME and told him not to say anything about it. The Judge ruled yesterday that despite the shady actions by the Pros, it couldn't be testified to.

Could you imagine if evidence proving GZ was the aggressor was withheld by the Judge. There would be riots in Sanford. This Judge and the Pros, along with the Mayor and Special Pros, have done everything they can to make sure the Defense is unable to present the strongest case possible.

Until you watch the trial, don't come on making your accusations and posting "facts" which have been addressed and demolished in court by witnesses and the Defense team.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

TM was the aggressor. GZ was simply following the young man. He straddled GZ in a MMA style ground and pound and was swinging away. Then he reached for GZ's gun. There are witnesses that corroborate

These witnesses corroborated GZ's story before GZ even knew that they had. In other words, they backed up his portrayal of events that evening.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

TM was the aggressor. GZ was simply following the young man. He straddled GZ in a MMA style ground and pound and was swinging away. Then he reached for GZ's gun. There are witnesses that corroborate

Txt messages the Judge refused to allow show TM knew MMA, and even talked about using MMA in fights.

All TM's supporters ignore this, but focus on GZ taking MMA classes.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I have already provided a link on this same thread showing where the defendant applied to be a Police Officer, and was turned down.

So?