Isaiah 3 and jewelry... - Page 84

TGBTG · #**831** 08-30-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

I will say it like this: I do not think one can go the lengths that we've seen in this thread to make the plain written Word of God of no effect & be in right standing w/ God. However, we ALL have shortcomings somewhere or another & garner the frown of God at times.

I am aware that because of my present fallen nature, my judgements can be clouded [which is why the Bible says we "SHALL (when we no longer have fallen natures) judge angels"].

So, in scholastical humilty, I reserve the possibility w/in myself that I can somehow be wrong. Though, honestly, I don't see how in the world one cannot understand the plainness of I Tim. 2:12.

Based on this response, you are not sure yourself. Although you claim to see the plainness of 1 Tim 2:12, you still are not sure?

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Originally Posted by rdp

I would say that the safest route is to obey the Bible & encourage others to do the same...leaving eternity in God's Hands.

Are you sure about John 14:6? Would you tell a muslim the "safest route" is the bible or would you tell the muslim he is going to hell unless he turns to Jesus Christ for salvation?

I'm not trying to be rash with my questions. I'm just trying to point out that we should be sure of what we believe if we are going to tell others they are wrong in their belief. If we are not sure of what we believe, the we should NOT tell others they are wrong.

For instance, I know beyond every shadow of doubt that anyone that rejects the gospel of Jesus Christ is absolutely lost. Therefore I can evangelize with 100% assurance to anyone I meet. However, if I'm not sure of salvation in Jesus alone, then I cannot tell a muslim in clear conscience that he is going to hell.

My point being, if we are not sure, then do not preach it. How can we preach what we are not sure about?

onefaith2 · #**832** 08-30-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Based on this response, you are not sure yourself. Although you claim to see the plainness of 1 Tim 2:12, you still are not sure?

Are you sure about John 14:6? Would you tell a muslim the "safest route" is the bible or would you tell the muslim he is going to hell unless he turns to Jesus Christ for salvation?

I'm not trying to be rash with my questions. I'm just trying to point out that we should be sure of what we believe if we are going to tell others they are wrong in their belief. If we are not sure of what we believe, the we should NOT tell others they are wrong.

For instance, I know beyond every shadow of doubt that anyone that rejects the gospel of Jesus Christ is absolutely lost. Therefore I can evangelize with 100% assurance to anyone I meet. However, if I'm not sure of salvation in Jesus alone, then I cannot tell a muslim in clear conscience that he is going to hell.

My point being, if we are not sure, then do not preach it. How can we preach what we are not sure about?

Not a fair comparison here. The wearing or not wearing of jewelry would deal with pleasing God, the other deals with eternal damnation without God at all.

To me and I'm sure RDP there is a BIG difference

Sam · #**833** 08-30-2010, 04:34 PM

There is some good teaching on
http://www.actseighteen.com/
about some of this stuff.

TGBTG · #**834** 08-30-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Not a fair comparison here. The wearing or not wearing of jewelry would deal with pleasing God, the other deals with eternal damnation without God at all.

To me and I'm sure RDP there is a BIG difference

Well, first off, there's nothing we can do to please God. Our goodness are as filthy rags before him.

What I'm saying is why are we dogmatic about a scripture we ourselves are not sure about? What if we are wrong on the doctrine as rdp rightly mentioned:

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Originally Posted by rdp

I am aware that because of my present fallen nature, my judgements can be clouded [which is why the Bible says we "SHALL (when we no longer have fallen natures) judge angels"].

Do you think it is pleasing to God to preach wrong doctrine?

Think about this scenario: A pastor preaches to his congregation that they should not use jewelry because it is displeasing to God. He gets off the pulpit and he tells someone in his congregation he is not sure about what he preached. Can you imagine that scenario? Isn't that hypocrisy? How can the pastor not be sure, yet he confidently says it is displeasing to God?

I am not trying to judge you or rdp. I'm just saying that let us be sincere with all and admit it when we are not sure about certain doctrines

Godsdrummer · #**835** 08-31-2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Its one thing to rebuke in person and another to rebuke on a forum where no one sees you or the annointing in which you may bring unless God himself convicts them. its a big difference

Wow
The annointing must be seen? My bible tells me Gods word would not return unto him void how ever it comes accross whether spoken or written. The anointing is not something we see that is emotion plain and simple. The anointing comes from the spirit of God when the word is laid before us.

TGBTG · #**836** 08-31-2010, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Wow
The annointing must be seen? My bible tells me Gods word would not return unto him void how ever it comes accross whether spoken or written. The anointing is not something we see that is emotion plain and simple. The anointing comes from the spirit of God when the word is laid before us.

Amen!

Truthseeker · #**837** 08-31-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Well, first off, there's nothing we can do to please God. Our goodness are as filthy rags before him.

If wearing jewelry is sin then not wearing it would be pleasing to God. Where do you get there's nothing we can do to please God??

TGBTG · #**838** 08-31-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

If wearing jewelry is sin then not wearing it would be pleasing to God. Where do you get there's nothing we can do to please God??

I never said wearing jewelry is a sin. rdp implied from his (or her) posts that wearing jewelry is a sin, but then he admitted that he was not even sure about jewelry usage being a sin. So my point is/was how can you say jewelry usage is displeasing to God if you are not even sure about it yourself?

As per pleasing God:
is 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags...

Why would we even try to please God with our works as if that would make us get into heaven? Muslims are also trying to please God with their rituals, but it ain't gonna get them into heaven.

The only way to please God:
Acts 20:21 Paul was testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Luke 7:50 And he (Jesus) said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

onefaith2 · #**839** 08-31-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

I never said wearing jewelry is a sin. rdp implied from his (or her) posts that wearing jewelry is a sin, but then he admitted that he was not even sure about jewelry usage being a sin. So my point is/was how can you say jewelry usage is displeasing to God if you are not even sure about it yourself?

As per pleasing God:
is 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags...

Why would we even try to please God with our works as if that would make us get into heaven? Muslims are also trying to please God with their rituals, but it ain't gonna get them into heaven.

The only way to please God:
Acts 20:21 Paul was testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Luke 7:50 And he (Jesus) said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Its funny that in Hebrews 11:6 you bolded what you believe but did not bold what others believe too, which is to DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM.

You are in doctrinal error if you believe that nothing we can do can please God. Walking by Faith is an action we do with HIS help! If we walk by the SPirit, we will please GOD. Its all by his Grace but it manifests in our action

The wrong would actually be nothing that we can do ALONE will please God.

onefaith2 · #**840** 08-31-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Wow
The annointing must be seen? My bible tells me Gods word would not return unto him void how ever it comes accross whether spoken or written. The anointing is not something we see that is emotion plain and simple. The anointing comes from the spirit of God when the word is laid before us.

Totally missed what I was trying to say in the posts. I used the word "see" to illustrate not seeing the messenger or picking up on the annointing they may be operating in. Someone could be posting here smoking a crack pipe and it may be good word, but it certainly isn't annointed. Annointing breaks the yoke of bondage and that you can certainly feel and see.

Satan can twist the word and we think it still be the word and that isn't annointed either.