Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Smitty I didn't read that he thought my opinion was an abomination, he apparently just thinks condemnation and hitting people over the head with the Bible is the best way to witness.

As far as accusing him of being Benincasa, who is being hurtful and mean spirited now young man. :-)

I understand, but he's saying that attending would be an abomination, correct? I took that as referring to your actions or view of the situation.

And yeah, comparing someone to EB is as bad as it gets!

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Honestly no, I didn't.

Nevertheless, it seems that some do not understand what is meant by the term "partakers of their sin."

That's so cute.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I understand, but he's saying that attending would be an abomination, correct? I took that as referring to your actions or view of the situation.

And yeah, comparing someone to EB is as bad as it gets!

Think he is trying to say the wedding itself is an abomination, and no matter how good of friends you are, if you aren't across the street waving a sign saying queers are going to hell then you are helping them sin.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Ignorance. Nothing personal MMM, but I'm so beaten down with "christians" defending this abomination that I don't even see the benefit in expounding.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I didn't call his view point an abomination, I was referring to the homosexual wedding he alluded to in this post, and yes, it is an abomination. The more I think of it, the more suprised and appaled I am that a pastor (any pastor) attended AND brought a gift.

No, you said "I'm so beaten down...." after quoting MMM saying, "I am sure He didn't demand they make lifestyle changes before attending their weddings."

You said that attending their weddings would be an abomination.

I know it tweaks you when I say this, but if you're appalled that I loved someone, supported them, and took them a personal gift, then so be it. Just go ahead and be appalled. I'm appalled that you're appalled.

Again, I made my position clear about their union, but I also made it clear I loved them.

And you know what??? We're still in contact, still talk, we're still friends, and she's on my Facebook friends list. My wife and I spent many hours counseling her through suicide attempts, cutting, and self-loathing. If I choose to love her through everything, it's not your job to condemn me. Sorry.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Jason, why are you so harsh? Don't you know God loves them and your sin is as great as theirs?

Do you want to be judged harshly for speeding on the way home tonight? We are all on this journey together... don't single out homosexuals just because you personally hate them...

and on it goes... there is no end.

Thanks for making a strong case in this thread Jason. Your love for God and the unbeliever come through very well and I appreciate your contribution.

Thanks Hoovie, and the several others who have complemented my viewpoints. I do certainly love the unbeliever, very much so, for I was in their situation when Christ died for me. YEARS I spent in vanity and pride, caring not my Lord was crucified. I didn't care about God, or other people.
I was a wicked sinner, and worthy of the damnation of hell. And s I never judge anything before the time, BUT the Bible plainly tells us what sins will keep us out of the Kingdom of God, tells us to reprove them, and as ministers to make a clear distinction between the holy and unholy.

ANYONE claiming I don't love people because I wouldn't attend a homosexual marriage, and STRONGLY disapprove of any christian doing so is way out of bounds, and they don't know me. I'm not going to publish my good works (which are not meritous BTW) n here. Suffice it to say, God knows my heart, and there isn't a homosexual, a rapist, a pedophile, or a murderer I don't love, and yes I do regularly minister to these people, and do so with love. I willlet my works stand before God, and more importantly he knows my heart, and the motivation in which I do thing, and HE KNOWS whether I love in truth or pretense, regardless of what some AFF posters may think.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Think he is trying to say the wedding itself is an abomination, and no matter how good of friends you are, if you aren't across the street waving a sign saying queers are going to hell then you are helping them sin.

Ok, maybe so. He did his abomination thing when you made the statement about attending. That's why I made the connection.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

That's so cute.

Cute?

What's cute?

Who would use the word "cute?" Seems a bit effeminate to me.

Maybe I'm not metosexual enough to understand you.

Help me out.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I know it tweaks you when I say this, but if you're appalled that I loved someone, supported them, and took them a personal gift, then so be it. Just go ahead and be appalled. I'm appalled that you're appalled.

Again, I made my position clear about their union, but I also made it clear I loved them.

And you know what??? We're still in contact, still talk, we're still friends, and she's on my Facebook friends list. My wife and I spent many hours counseling her through suicide attempts, cutting, and self-loathing. If I choose to love her through everything, it's not your job to condemn me. Sorry.

Brilliant !!!

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Cute?

What's cute?

Who would use the word "cute?" Seems a bit effeminate to me.

Maybe I'm not metosexual enough to understand you.

Help me out.

Hey, we made it quite a few pages without anyone dropping the, "You must be gay" bomb. The streak has been broken!

Really though, I didn't know the word, "cute" was effeminate. My kids are cute. Does that sound effeminate?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

No, you said "I'm so beaten down...." after quoting MMM saying, "I am sure He didn't demand they make lifestyle changes before attending their weddings."

You said that attending their weddings would be an abomination.

Obviously I was speaking of homosexual weddings, at least I thought it was obvious.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I know it tweaks you when I say this, but if you're appalled that I loved someone, supported them, and took them a personal gift, then so be it. Just go ahead and be appalled.

I continue to be. NOT ONE IOTA because you loved them. I would be appaled IF YOU DIDN'T, but because the way that you felt to express your love was to help them towards eternal damnation. If they live "happily ever after" in this union, they will be forever lost, and that with your toaster.

At church tonight a brother was preaching about his cousin being a drug addict, and his sister being a christian. And when the cousin came to repentance she asked the sister, "Don't YOU LOVE ME? Why didn't you tell me I was killing myself?"

Its not unloving to tell someone what the NEED to hear. I spoke recently on the topic of telling the church not what we WANT to hear, but what we NEED to hear. Sometimes we need someone to tell us we'd better get right. However, the context of that should be in love. Jesus preached many times TO sinners about the need to repent, about the need for self denial, and alot about hell and judgment, and alot of things left out of todays fell good religion. Its ALL the gospel. But even when Jesus Christ preached repentance, He did so sternly, but with unquestionable love.

Because so many of us have that background of churches when we were beaten from the pulpit, I think some of us have gone to the opposite extreme of taking wrath and judgment out of the gospel. And like I said a few pages back, Grace is only recognized for what it truly is in the context of the wrath of God. To effectively preach the word there must be a balance between GRACE and WRATH. If one or the other dominates our message will be inaccurate.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I'm appalled that you're appalled.

This made me crack a smile.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Again, I made my position clear about their union, but I also made it clear I loved them.

And you know what??? We're still in contact, still talk, we're still friends, and she's on my Facebook friends list. My wife and I spent many hours counseling her through suicide attempts, cutting, and self-loathing. If I choose to love her through everything, it's not your job to condemn me. Sorry.

BUT if shes suicidal partly/mostly due to here lifestyle (you said earlier you've NEVER met a homosexual who hasn't attempted suicide) why do you attend a 'wedding' at which she is now more so committed to a lifestyle which cause her so much anguish?

It's not my job to condemn you, and its not your to condemn me for not agreeing with your approach. But like I said earlier, Paul refuted Peter because he was wrong. I sincerely believe that the argument and reasoning you and others are using is wrong, and needs to be refuted. Homosexuality is already intruding into the church, and decisions such as yours, if all pastors were to do the same would hyper intensify that proliferication of that sin IN the church.