The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits - Page 81

rrford · #**801** 02-24-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

According to Jewish custom a male child did not have sonship conferred upon him until he reached the age of maturity after having spent time under tutors who prepared him for that moment. According to Galatians 4 he was no different than the servant although he was heir to all that belonged to his father. Jesus redeemed us so that we could receive the full rights of sons. Thus the Scripture in Gal. 4:6 that states that because we are sons God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts crying "Abba Father".

When Jesus came to John for baptism, He was already the child of God, having been born of the Spirit. When the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" John knew full well the significance of that statement. Jesus was given power to act on behalf of His Father. And that's exactly how He described it as He went about His ministry. What He saw and heard from the Father is what He did.

This is the principle role of the Spirit in our lives as well!

Hmm, not a true son with inheritance rights until a certain age was reached? Interesting. Seems one can be "in the family" but not inherit until a specific instance occurs.

Refer to your previous post and see if you see the same question I do.

rrford · #**802** 02-24-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Scott, Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again to see and enter the kingdom. One must see spiritual truth before he can enter the kingdom. On the Day of Pentecost the multitude listened to the gospel message of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection and as they listened to this message their spiritual eyes were opened to see Jesus as their Messiah, which prompted them to ask what they must do. Peter then told them what to do to enter the kingdom. It was regeneration by the Word of God and the Spirit that allowed them to first see, and then enter the kingdom of God.

We also need to understand that Jesus could have easily been speaking of the present and FUTURE aspects of the kingdom of God. Actually, that seems to be the obvious reference.

Truly Blessed · #**803** 02-24-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

TB did the old time PCIers believe New Birth as you have described it tonight?

I am not well acquainted with the old time PCIers. I grew up Full Gospel believng that one is saved, and then baptized with the Holy Ghost. I never heard the erroneous teaching of the blood applied at baptism until I was in Bible School. I'm not sure that the PCI preachers that most refer to on AFF would express it exactly as I do. Personally I feel that PCI doctrine has developed beyond what the pioneers would have understood due to the access later generations have had to further study of various aspects of the doctrine.

rrford · #**804** 02-24-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I am not well acquainted with the old time PCIers. I grew up Full Gospel believng that one is saved, and then baptized with the Holy Ghost. I never heard the erroneous teaching of the blood applied at baptism until I was in Bible School. I'm not sure that the PCI preachers that most refer to on AFF would express it exactly as I do. Personally I feel that PCI doctrine has developed beyond what the pioneers would have understood due to the access later generations have had to further study of various aspects of the doctrine.

And this is good or bad? And do you agree or disagree with what it has developed to?

SDG · #**805** 02-24-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

And this is good or bad? And do you agree or disagree with what it has developed to?

RR .. in the previous statement he claimed not to be an authority yet you ask him this question???

Perhaps Sam can enlighten us ... he seems to be our resident historian.

Truly Blessed · #**806** 02-24-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

We also need to understand that Jesus could have easily been speaking of the present and FUTURE aspects of the kingdom of God. Actually, that seems to be the obvious reference.

If He was speaking of FUTURE aspects of the kingdom of God that would make speaking in tongues a requirement of being born again, would He not have an obligation to be up front with Nicodemus when he sincerely asked, "How can these things be"? After all, Jesus would have known that Nicodemus would live on into the church age.

rrford · #**807** 02-24-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

RR .. in the previous statement he claimed not to be an authority yet you ask him this question???

Perhaps Sam can enlighten us ... he seems to be our resident historian.

So what? Of course I would ask. Whether he claims to be an expert or not he has an opinion of whther the development of their present doctrinal stance is good or bad.

SDG · #**808** 02-24-2007, 11:17 PM

How can he say if its developed if he's not sure of its genesis ???

rrford · #**809** 02-24-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

If He was speaking of FUTURE aspects of the kingdom of God that would make speaking in tongues a requirement of being born again, would He not have an obligation to be up front with Nicodemus when he sincerely asked, "How can these things be"? After all, Jesus would have known that Nicodemus would live on into the church age.

TB, I believe He was speaking of both in this passage. The key between the 2 becokmes the words "enter" and "see." At our new birth we enter into the present kingdom of God. It is that new birth that leads us into the future kingdom we do not yet see.

SDG · #**810** 02-24-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

TB, I believe He was speaking of both in this passage. The key between the 2 becokmes the words "enter" and "see." At our new birth we enter into the present kingdom of God. It is that new birth that leads us into the future kingdom we do not yet see.

Make it fit???