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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Never heard of him...he documents Oneness Pentecostal college students going to a trinitarian church and taking it over?
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http://johnwolfram.org/
Yes, While he attended CLC, or WABC which ever it was called at the time. It was an AofG conference of some sort.
It appears the book has been redone under a new title, I have no idea if the new edition contains the story or not. The original one was self published and probably done in the 80's.
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07-01-2010, 07:49 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
Just as a follow up on the Stoneking PhD....
You may purchase yours for a mere 4500 pounds.
This is the email I received when I requested information:
SEU offers a PhD at £4500. Could you give me an indication of the area you wish to research and your current qualifications for me to provisionally indicate if we would be able to offer supervision.
kind regards
Dr John Johnson
academic director SEU
Oh I will be following this up...lol
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07-01-2010, 08:25 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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The disciples didn't have a PH.D. Jesus didn't have a PH.D. Even Paul didn't have a PH.D. Why is it so important? You're probably the same people that say unless a man graduates from Bible College, he can't be a minister.
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You're right .... and if I am goin' to a bible school .... it's goin to be a One God, separated school .... not like those liberal pansy schools like JCM and CLC.
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07-01-2010, 08:30 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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You're right .... and if I am goin' to a bible school .... it's goin to be a One God, separated schools not like those liberal pansy schools like JCM and CLC.
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Classic! That's funny!
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07-01-2010, 09:18 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Originally Posted by Standards
The disciples didn't have a PH.D. Jesus didn't have a PH.D. Even Paul didn't have a PH.D. Why is it so important? You're probably the same people that say unless a man graduates from Bible College, he can't be a minister.
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Apparently it's important enough to some people that they're willing to tout meaningless pieces of paper in order to have that status.
I don't believe a man has to attend Bible College in order to be a minister, but there is something to the idea of studying to show yourself approved. I'm highly suspicious of young ministers who want to be in the pulpit but they refuse to spend any time applying themselves to learning from older, wiser men and women of God.
I'm WAY more suspicious of men who want people to THINK they spent time studying for a degree when they really didn't.
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07-01-2010, 09:33 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Yes, I do believe speaking in tongues is the initial evidence. Maybe we can discuss this topic at our next conference. We are wanting to move from greater to lesser realities. That is why we are starting with the Existence of God.
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Haven't read all of the posts in here, so forgive me if my question of clarificaiton has already been asked.
JN, this answer was given to a question asked by someone in this thread. They asked if you believe that tongues are the necessary and initial evidence. You answered that they are "the evidence"...my question is...by "the evidence" do you also mean "necessary?
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07-01-2010, 09:45 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Haven't read all of the posts in here, so forgive me if my question of clarificaiton has already been asked.
JN, this answer was given to a question asked by someone in this thread. They asked if you believe that tongues are the necessary and initial evidence. You answered that they are "the evidence"...my question is...by "the evidence" do you also mean "necessary?
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You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. ( Romans 8:9 ESV)
I don't think we have a choice. All who believe in Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I believe God has chosen this to authenticate His Spirit indwelling the believer.
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07-01-2010, 09:47 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
Ok, I'm done with the bathroom reader series now. What did I miss?
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Jeremiah chapter 4 and verse 21 KJV
How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
1 Cor. chapter 14 and verse 8 KJV
8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
Joel chapter 2 and verse 1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
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07-01-2010, 09:47 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Originally Posted by DAII
You're right .... and if I am goin' to a bible school .... it's goin to be a One God, separated school .... not like those liberal pansy schools like JCM and CLC.
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I know you like to kid and poke fun DA. However, I just hope you don't think that all OP's are like that or that they would argue like them either.
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07-01-2010, 10:00 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Originally Posted by ouden katakrim
Haven't read all of the posts in here, so forgive me if my question of clarificaiton has already been asked.
JN, this answer was given to a question asked by someone in this thread. They asked if you believe that tongues are the necessary and initial evidence. You answered that they are "the evidence"...my question is...by "the evidence" do you also mean "necessary?
ouden
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Ouden,
I would say that according to the book of Acts, tongues are the necessary evidence that someone has been baptized with the Holy Spirit.
There is a poster on CARM named Forever4truth who defends the initial evidence doctrine better than anyone I've read. He posts on the Pentecostal and Oneness Pentecostal forums over there. You have to join CARM to read the threads.
A recent thread: http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthrea...ing-in-Tongues
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