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DividedThigh · #71 08-13-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

No offence, but this is just your opinion. What is Jesus'? Where does He say He agrees with you? As Christians that should be our REAL concern.

you are right it is my opinion, you can think what you want, that is your right, but my family has fought and bled in all the wars this country has been involved in since it is beginning, to give you that right. You ask where is Jesus he lives in my heart and permeates all that i am, I am what i am because he is, dt

#72 08-13-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Brother Strange, how can you say the above and then amen DT? All I asked for was the Bible passages that say Jesus taught it is acceptable for a Christian to go to war or kill their enemey. You say it is ok, then you say it is not, then you say that it is?? Which is it? Does Jesus say it is ok for Christians to go to war and kill their enemies, or does He say it is not ok?

You are not listening.

I already told you that Jesus never gave a command for his New Covenant Church to go to war.

You can read the gospels including Matthew, Mark, Luke and John but you will never find a "go to war" command anywhere there. Nor will you find it "explicitly" stated "thou mayest go to war anytime you hear the war drums beating."

I already told you that it just simply is not there. What more can I say?

Esther · #73 08-13-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Where does it say that God can do whatever He wants? This is totally untrue. Do you not realize that the Old Testament is a type and shadow of what Jesus ushered in through His New Covenant? The Law came through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. The Old Testament Laws were more clearly defined after Jesus taught them with the authority of the Law Giver. He showed that He desired mercy instead of sacrifice. He chose love to be His defining attribute.

Now, where exactly does Jesus or His apostles teach that it is acceptable for Christians to go to war? Can you name where the early church fought against their oppressors? The Jews fought, but not the Christians. They were known for not taking up arms. So where does the Bible say that this was to change?

Isn't our faith supposed to come by hearing the Word? So where are the scriptures from which you derive your faith on this?

God has principals that I don't think He changes.

He supported the Israelites in battle. IF He was totally against war then why would He have suported them and given them victory.

I don't believe for a moment He is for all the wars we have, but I think there are some He may be favoring.

DividedThigh · #74 08-13-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

God has principals that I don't think He changes.

He supported the Israelites in battle. IF He was totally against war then why would He have suported them and given them victory.

I don't believe for a moment He is for all the wars we have, but I think there are some He may be favoring.

amen sis, god is sovereign he is in control, even when we dont understand or agree, dt

TK Burk · #75 08-13-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

You are not listening.

I already told you that Jesus never gave a command for his New Covenant Church to go to war.

You can read the gospels including Matthew, Mark, Luke and John but you will never find a "go to war" command anywhere there. Nor will you find it "explicitly" stated "thou mayest go to war anytime you hear the war drums beating."

I already told you that it just simply is not there. What more can I say?

Brother Strange, thank you for your reply. No, I am listening very well...and answers such as yours are very clear!

Felicity · #76 08-13-2007, 01:56 PM

We're all involved in a war - spiritually speaking.

Is Armageddon not going to be the battle of all battles?

God is not against war per se.

TK Burk · #77 08-13-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

you are right it is my opinion, you can think what you want, that is your right, but my family has fought and bled in all the wars this country has been involved in since it is beginning, to give you that right. You ask where is Jesus he lives in my heart and permeates all that i am, I am what i am because he is, dt

As an American and as a human being I wholly support your right to have your own opinion. But if we are to be Christlike, then our opinions should soley be founded on God's Word. That is my point. Thanks for your reply. No offence intended.

Esther · #78 08-13-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

We're all involved in a war - spiritually speaking.

Is Armageddon not going to be the battle of all battles?

God is not against war per se.

I was thinking of that upcoming battle as well.

DividedThigh · #79 08-13-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

As an American and as a human being I wholly support your right to have your own opinion. But if we are to be Christlike, then our opinions should soley be founded on God's Word. That is my point. Thanks for your reply. No offence intended.

no problem l and f , my entire life is built on his word, including all my beliefs and convictions, god bless you, no offense taken, dt

#80 08-13-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

We're all involved in a war - spiritually speaking.

Is Armageddon not going to be the battle of all battles?

God is not against war per se.

That is right.

In fact God HIMSELF is a MAN OF WAR, according to scriptures.

He is a ONE MAN war machine. In fact, he is the captain of an army. One night the captain went into the camp of the Syrians and KILLED 183,000 of those from a foreign country (Sis Alvear) but not just because they were from a foreign country. He killed all 183,000 in just one night.

Under the anointing that God gave Samson, there is no telling how many of another country that he killed.

God is a MAN OF WAR. In RIGHTEOUSNESS doth he MAKE WAR.