2 points, please dont try that "history without context" junk with me it makes my eye twitch. UBL was supported by the USA during the cold war when he was not a threat to America but The USSR was bro. dont pull that. it devalues the converstion and I will yell at someone I respect.....
secondly and to the point, we are there post Saddam removal because we have to secure Iraq just like we stayed in German post WW2.
and just for a little extra, knowing now that there are no WMDs does not mean that the entire world thought there were no WMDs. EVERYONE thought they were there.
But the country (Iraq) does not agree who should run it, there are 3 factions who will now stop at nothing to rule it...it's not our decision Ferd, it's theirs to make. But they cannot do so, they never will, this has gone on forever, and will continue. They cannot have a democracy there and you know it! Meanwhile back at the ranch people are realizing our mistakes, but because of pride, egos, and wholehearted "Patriotism" we say, continue...it's over Ferd...THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO BESIDES TAKE THE COUNTRY OVER THAT CAN BRING STABILITY. Why would we want to?
You guys would laugh if you knew the arguments my bro & I had back in the days of Reagan. If you told him that you thought I was in any way liberal in politics, he would swallow his false teeth. I am republican to the core, but I can admit mistakes.
me too!
we HAVE made mistakes in Iraq! i was very disheartened to discover the basic tactic in Iraq was almost EXACTLY what got our collective butts handed to us in Vietnam!
We fought hard battles in places like Feluga (sp) and got the bad guys out, but then we left and allowed them to move back in. how stupid? that is GWBs fault and the reason we are having this disscussion right now.
The new course is to take and hold and there seem to be some successes.
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But the country (Iraq) does not agree who should run it, there are 3 factions who will now stop at nothing to rule it...it's not our decision Ferd, it's theirs to make. But they cannot do so, they never will, this has gone on forever, and will continue. They cannot have a democracy there and you know it! Meanwhile back at the ranch people are realizing our mistakes, but because of pride, egos, and wholehearted "Patriotism" we say, continue...it's over Ferd...THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO BESIDES TAKE THE COUNTRY OVER THAT CAN BRING STABILITY. Why would we want to?
If it is there decision, then we need to listen to them, the elected officials in Iraq have said repeatedly they want us there.
we may very well get to the point where we have to leave and let chaos rule. I dont think we are there yet...objectively
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quite possibly nothing at all.... just a slang word I personally wouldn't have used....
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Well, you and I who are NOT dunderheads have come to two different conclusions. Now, who wins the All Star game, east or West??
the All Star North
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
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