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[sbo1971]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Evang.Benincasa, who are you??

You came into this Thread, drawing a sword. That's OK, as long as you want battle.

I see your nice profile pic, those beautiful children young and still under your rule. I want to see you on here when they are adults and they've basically told you to take a hike! You may not think that day is coming, but don't worry, it will.


You may think I’m a harsh guy, but deep down I’m just like you, just a little older. All my kids are grown, married, and have their own kids. I’ve said a lot the same things you have in the past, but good old TIME has mellowed this fireball.

First: let me say this just because your children ( I can only assume of course) told you to take a hike doesnt mean that his will or anyone else that holds to standards will.
Second: That is the problem that I have seen with many people who were once on fire for God, they "mellowed out", right out of what is Biblical, that's why it's ok to do anything you want and still go to heaven according to these people which I have not found in the Bible.

[Sherri]

Evan. Benincasa is ok. He just has really strong opinions! Obviously you must be new here, or you would be used to him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Evang.Benincasa, who are you??

Someone who is most likely better looking than you.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You came into this Thread, drawing a sword. That's OK, as long as you want battle.

Just calling it like I see it, and from the looks of the foam from your mouth, I must of hit the nerve.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I see your nice profile pic, those beautiful children young and still under your rule. I want to see you on here when they are adults and they've basically told you to take a hike! You may not think that day is coming, but don't worry, it will.

It's an old picture and they are older. They are free to make their own desicisons, when they grow to adulthood. I commented about it in another thread. Yet, while my children may stay in what my wife and I believe or not, I highly doubt they would tell us to "take a hike." Unlike your children, (I am only assuming here, since you have taken a postion of being experienced at this) who told you to take a hike, my children like what we do and are a part of what we do. It's not just a mid week service, Sunday thing, but a lifestyle. You were a fire ball? So you burned the children to a crisp, and now you swung the pendulum from one extreme to the other. If I may, allow me to inform you, while you learned about Jesus via a pulpit, I learned about Jesus through a Bible and prayer. So, calm down, and have a Coke and a smile.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Your posts reek of inexperience,

And your posts reek of someone who wouldn't have the guts to shoot their mouth off in person. So they hide behind a computer screen and beat their chest and tin drum, and bore the socks off everyone who cares. Lighten up Tarzan.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

and your bold claims about Hell are why so many walk out of Churches.

Many walk out of churches because of the same old Sunday school mess they learned as a kid is still being pumped down their throats as adults. Yet, they don't leave the faith, they just leave those churches. People who leave Jesus Christ, do it because they have other issues that surpass any preacher preaching hell fire and brimstone. If Jesus preached and David played his harp they still would walk out. Next time you happen to look at the door stop in your living room and flip through its pages, you may come across 1st Cor 3:6-8 and find one plants seeds and another waters, yet it is God who gives the increase as the soul who had been sowed and watered answers the call. The problem is guys like you think you have way more control in the salvation and child rearing then is possible. The souls we preach to and children we teach can only be led so far, and God and themselves have most of the walking to do. I know, it's a control issue with you and you may believe that people can be manipulated to stay in church, and live for God.
Yet, that just isn't so. It is a one on one situation, no pulpit pounding, neck cracking, or sweet love messages are going to do anything for anyone if Jesus Christ isn't involved.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You act like you've been there.

No, read about it and found out that there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So, from the scriptural discription I'll pass. Therefore I instruct others to stay out of the long term plan of retiring there. You it seems would rather be known for soothing the brows of those who pay your bills and therefore sing them sweet nothings.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

So, if you're so certain about Hell being HOT, tell us, who's in there? Who's burning in flames forever, without relief?

Revelation 21:8 the fearful, the unbeliever, the abominable, the murderers, whoremongers, socerers, idolaters, and all liars. If any are missed you can find some more in Gal 5:20-21.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I see you’re an Evangelist. Love em and leave em. Have you ever Pastored? If you haven't, I suggest you pull up the reins and give it a try.

I'd give a big shot like you one week in my world. After a vagrant bit through your knee cap, and I would have to pray you through while you got a tetanus shot, we would really see how you couldn't last 8 seconds before the bell rung.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

This would "Cool your jets". I've been on this Forum a couple of years and I'm not sure if I've ever seen someone storm a Thread like you have.

A couple of years?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Do you preach mercy?

Yes, may God have mercy on you. You see I just preached it to you.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Do you love the unlovable?

I love you

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Do you pray for those who hurt, cry, and fail, or do you simply write them off as cannon fodder for HELL?

Hurt, cry and fail end up staying in the grace of God's protection. Those who thumb their nose at God and tell Him to take a hike, rocket to Hell. Sincere people stay the course even when they stumble, but jokers, make hell their home.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You may think I’m a harsh guy,

Is that what you think you are?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

but deep down I’m just like you, just a little older.

You don't know me, you just think you know me. You are not like me.
What I do here I'll do in person, just faster.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

All my kids are grown, married, and have their own kids. I’ve said a lot the same things you have in the past, but good old TIME has mellowed this fireball.

I have heard the cooling out with time speech ever since I walked through the doors of the church. It is usually quoted by those who really were never HOT, just really unwise. Others who quote the phrase, do so because they don't like to see zeal, because that zeal convicts them of where they're at.
You see Kemosahbee, people shouldn't cool off the longer they are with Jesus, but should get hotter. Jesus doesn't want us cold, He wants us hot. Mellowed out, I guess would be lukewarm, and therefore get vomited out of His mouth.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Someone who is most likely better looking than you.

Just calling it like I see it, and from the looks of the foam from your mouth, I must of hit the nerve.

It's an old picture and they are older. They are free to make their own desicisons, when they grow to adulthood. I commented about it in another thread. Yet, while my children may stay in what my wife and I believe or not, I highly doubt they would tell us to "take a hike." Unlike your children, (I am only assuming here, since you have taken a postion of being experienced at this) who told you to take a hike, my children like what we do and are a part of what we do. It's not just a mid week service, Sunday thing, but a lifestyle. You were a fire ball? So you burned the children to a crisp, and now you swung the pendulum from one extreme to the other. If I may, allow me to inform you, while you learned about Jesus via a pulpit, I learned about Jesus through a Bible and prayer. So, calm down, and have a Coke and a smile.

And your posts reek of someone who wouldn't have the guts to shoot their mouth off in person. So they hide behind a computer screen and beat their chest and tin drum, and bore the socks off everyone who cares. Lighten up Tarzan.

Many walk out of churches because of the same old Sunday school mess they learned as a kid is still being pumped down their throats as adults. Yet, they don't leave the faith, they just leave those churches. People who leave Jesus Christ, do it because they have other issues that surpass any preacher preaching hell fire and brimstone. If Jesus preached and David played his harp they still would walk out. Next time you happen to look at the door stop in your living room and flip through its pages, you may come across 1st Cor 3:6-8 and find one plants seeds and another waters, yet it is God who gives the increase as the soul who had been sowed and watered answers the call. The problem is guys like you think you have way more control in the salvation and child rearing then is possible. The souls we preach to and children we teach can only be led so far, and God and themselves have most of the walking to do. I know, it's a control issue with you and you may believe that people can be manipulated to stay in church, and live for God.
Yet, that just isn't so. It is a one on one situation, no pulpit pounding, neck cracking, or sweet love messages are going to do anything for anyone if Jesus Christ isn't involved.

No, read about it and found out that there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So, from the scriptural discription I'll pass. Therefore I instruct others to stay out of the long term plan of retiring there. You it seems would rather be known for soothing the brows of those who pay your bills and therefore sing them sweet nothings.

Revelation 21:8 the fearful, the unbeliever, the abominable, the murderers, whoremongers, socerers, idolaters, and all liars. If any are missed you can find some more in Gal 5:20-21.

I'd give a big shot like you one week in my world. After a vagrant bit through your knee cap, and I would have to pray you through while you got a tetanus shot, we would really see how you couldn't last 8 seconds before the bell rung.

A couple of years?

Yes, may God have mercy on you. You see I just preached it to you.

I love you

Hurt, cry and fail end up staying in the grace of God's protection. Those who thumb their nose at God and tell Him to take a hike, rocket to Hell. Sincere people stay the course even when they stumble, but jokers, make hell their home.

Is that what you think you are?

You don't know me, you just think you know me. You are not like me.
What I do here I'll do in person, just faster.

I have heard the cooling out with time speech ever since I walked through the doors of the church. It is usually quoted by those who really were never HOT, just really unwise. Others who quote the phrase, do so because they don't like to see zeal, because that zeal convicts them of where they're at.
You see Kemosahbee, people shouldn't cool off the longer they are with Jesus, but should get hotter. Jesus doesn't want us cold, He wants us hot. Mellowed out, I guess would be lukewarm, and therefore get vomited out of His mouth.

Thanks for at least loving me.

No foam at the mouth, Bro. Just calling you to the carpet! LOL

Bro Ben, your role as an Evangelist is admirable, but to be quite frank, you love em and leave em. I've pastored for 14 years and Evangelist's that I know admit this is their forte....It is their course and they confess it to me as the absolute Truth!! You don't stick around to pick up the pieces after you're gone. All the hype is over when you've left, and reality is what gets us past each day, working the common job and dealing with difficult people, day in, day out, setting our roots down as the winds and storms of life blow into our boredoms and repititions of everyday living.

Let me know when you decide to settle down and build a Home Missions work, letting people come into your home to live, eat, and call you all hours of the night. Let me know when you are willing to sacrifice your paycheck, your time, your all out energy and pain to stay with a small group when you feel like giving up after those you trusted just walked out the door because they just couldn't take it anymore. Try standing alone, being in the trenches when the word "forsaken" doesn’t even describe what you feel.

My Children are good people, but they still came to those crossroads of being who they are, which meant Dad and Mom where out of the picture for a season. Be careful here. I was as arrogant as you, but kids trod their own path and they will step on your heart and do things you thought they would NEVER do. I am so serious about this. I’ve been in the UPCI for over 30 years and kids today are breaking the heart of their parents like never before, Preachers and Saints alike.

So, how old are your kids? How old are you? I'm 50, been married 30 years, and my back is broken from working to provide for them. If you want to PM me, I'd be glad to be candid about my life with God and my experience in the Apostolic Movement.

I will say it again, you lack experience, but that's OK. A wise Elder told me a few years back, "Time is the Greatest Revelator". Time will reveal, and time will tell. You boast today, but the trials of tomorrow will lead you into realms you never dreamed.

God Bless, and may His Peace be upon your life....

P.S. You never did answer my question about who’s going to Hell. Will someone who uses nicotine go there? How about obese people? Do you believe liars will go there? That means Jacob, Rahab, and Abraham will be there. They ALL lied.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Good grief.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mich are you now the AFF agnostic mascot? Don't believe the Bible is written by God, or inspired by God? Doesn't that make your opinion kind of meaningless? since this is a discussion amongst people who believe in the Word of God, and that it is actually God's word. Can other agnostics join this forum?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mich are you really William Price?

I feel so honored to be singled out.

Firstly, I've been coming to this forum, and the two previous incarnations, for over 6 years. I was apostolic when I started, but obviously I have made some changes in the past few years. As I technically wasn't agnostic when I joined...what are they supposed to do now? Kick me out for not being spiritual enough? Strangely enough, my experience with Christianity would lead to expect exactly that. But even though I'm not exactly taken seriously here (for the reasons that you mentioned above), they haven't excommunicated me either, and furthermore some even seem to enjoy having me around. Think of me as the neurotic Aunt. Even though you personally find her an embarrassment, as she never quite fits in, and you never know what's going to come out of her mouth, you nevertheless love her.

Lastly, I find the William Price comment to be personally insulting. Though I have admittedly changed my views over the years, for the past few years I have quite steadily remained a post-Christian (for lack of a better term). In addition to that, never in all years here, have I ever given myself a title such as evangelist or prophet, nor have I proclaimed myself to be in any kind of ministry. I also have not tried to recruit people to my way of thinking. I haven't disfellowshipped those who belief differently from me, and I haven't sent anyone to hell who doesn't believe exactly as I do.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Evan. Benincasa is ok. He just has really strong opinions! Obviously you must be new here, or you would be used to him.

He stirs the pot, then calls you defensive for reacting. Happens on evey single thread he's on. Love ya, EB. But that's textbook passive aggressive. Really annoying.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Michlow

I feel so honored to be singled out.

Firstly, I've been coming to this forum, and the two previous incarnations, for over 6 years. I was apostolic when I started, but obviously I have made some changes in the past few years. As I technically wasn't agnostic when I joined...what are they supposed to do now? Kick me out for not being spiritual enough? Strangely enough, my experience with Christianity would lead to expect exactly that. But even though I'm not exactly taken seriously here (for the reasons that you mentioned above), they haven't excommunicated me either, and furthermore some even seem to enjoy having me around. Think of me as the neurotic Aunt. Even though you personally find her an embarrassment, as she never quite fits in, and you never know what's going to come out of her mouth, you nevertheless love her.

Stick around, Mich! I enjoy having you here. I enjoy reading your perspective on things.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Thanks for at least loving me.

No foam at the mouth, Bro. Just calling you to the carpet! LOL

You love the screen and what protection it affords you. Calling me on the carpet for saying those who don't believe in hell will have the rude awakening of finding themselves there? Calling me on the carpet? How? Where did youu attempt to do that? You just posted a tome on how you are a pastor and therefore you have postion places you higher than an evangelist? You don't read the Bible much do you? Did you happen to see how many times Evangelist and Pastor is in the New Testament, it's three to one. You see if you would of taken the time to calm your fury, you would of seen where I brought to your attention that you learned of Jesus via the pulpit. Therefore you were taught that churches only have one main leader being one man.
Hence your view or preception that everything begins and ends with the postion of pastor. The evangelist that you speak of with destain, like some jack leg circut riders, are not anyone I know. the Word says, know them that labor among you, therefore the evangelists spend more than one night or one week and help the ministers of a congregation to build up the church. I suggest reading Eph 4.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Bro Ben, your role as an Evangelist is admirable,

Oh, now it's admirable? You spoke of evangelists like they were prostitutes hopping from one house to the next.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

but to be quite frank, you love em and leave em.

Admirable, yeah right.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I've pastored for 14 years

How about pastoring for 22 years and having nothing to show for it. Do you know anyone like that? Think, think real hard. Know anyone who has been pastoring for 15 to 22 years, or maybe longer, and has nothing to show for it?
The ones who throw years around sound as if they been working as a doctor, or lawyer for 14 years. Listen friend, anyone who has been running the road, with wife and children, and having no idea what to expect when they get to a home mission or large church have enough understanding of life in the Apostolic movement. They just have it from the other side of the pulpit.
They get to deal with more pastors than most people do in three lifetimes.
they stay in their homes, find out about what their families are like, how giving or not giving they are. Find out how they treat people as guests.
The evangelist works with everyone, from pastor to saint in more than one area. While years do gain experience no matter what a man is doing, years misspent and doing our jobs the wrong way, make for wasted years.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

and Evangelist's that I know admit this is their forte....

Doesn't say much for the evangelists you know.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

It is their course and they confess it to me as the absolute Truth!!

Absolute truth? Did any of these men go out into the street and bring anyone to church while they were with you? Did they stay with you for a month? Two months? No, as you said they blow in and blow out. Or as you put it love em and leave em.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You don't stick around to pick up the pieces after you're gone.

Wow, who do you have come preach for you? Forget love em and leave em, it sounds like you have drive by shootings. Listen, do yourself and other preachers a favor, don't invite anyone to your pulpit. It sounds like you sure can't pick em.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

All the hype is over when you've left, and reality is what gets us past each day, working the common job and dealing with difficult people, day in, day out, setting our roots down as the winds and storms of life blow into our boredoms and repititions of everyday living.

You make it sound like 14 years been a little too long. Maybe you should try the circut trail.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Let me know when you decide to settle down and build a Home Missions work,

Been doing it for five years, April 17th was our fifth year anniversary.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

letting people come into your home to live, eat, and call you all hours of the night.

That I've been doing for 10 years, and have been doing street ministry for 14 years. Preaching to the vagrants of South and Central Florida. How many homeless have you put up? I have been on a 24hr call me anytime policy for 14 years.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Let me know when you are willing to sacrifice your paycheck,

I have been full time for 16 years.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

your time, your all out energy and pain to stay with a small group when you feel like giving up after those you trusted just walked out the door because they just couldn't take it anymore. Try standing alone, being in the trenches when the word "forsaken" doesn’t even describe what you feel.

Like I said, you don't know me.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

My Children are good people, but they still came to those crossroads of being who they are, which meant Dad and Mom where out of the picture for a season. Be careful here.

My wife and I love what we do and our children don't view our lifestyle as some cat-o-nine-tails across the back life.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I was as arrogant as you,

Was?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

but kids trod their own path and they will step on your heart and do things you thought they would NEVER do. I am so serious about this. I’ve been in the UPCI for over 30 years and kids today are breaking the heart of their parents like never before, Preachers and Saints alike.

Like never before? Must be rough in your world.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

So, how old are your kids?

6, and 9

Originally Posted by NotforSale

How old are you?

48

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I'm 50, been married 30 years, and my back is broken from working to provide for them. If you want to PM me, I'd be glad to be candid about my life with God and my experience in the Apostolic Movement.

No call me.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I will say it again, you lack experience, but that's OK. A wise Elder told me a few years back, "Time is the Greatest Revelator". Time will reveal, and time will tell. You boast today, but the trials of tomorrow will lead you into realms you never dreamed.

Time may pass, and yet look back and find that we were doing it wrong all a long. You are way too full of yourself. Yet, give me a call.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

P.S. You never did answer my question about who’s going to Hell. Will someone who uses nicotine go there? How about obese people? Do you believe liars will go there? That means Jacob, Rahab, and Abraham will be there. They ALL lied.

Again the above shows that you didn't read my post. Go back and try again.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Jeffrey]

Do you read scripture like that? Line for line? How about listening, getting the message and responding message-for-message? Just a thought.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michlow

I feel so honored to be singled out.

Firstly, I've been coming to this forum, and the two previous incarnations, for over 6 years. I was apostolic when I started, but obviously I have made some changes in the past few years. As I technically wasn't agnostic when I joined...what are they supposed to do now? Kick me out for not being spiritual enough? Strangely enough, my experience with Christianity would lead to expect exactly that. But even though I'm not exactly taken seriously here (for the reasons that you mentioned above), they haven't excommunicated me either, and furthermore some even seem to enjoy having me around. Think of me as the neurotic Aunt. Even though you personally find her an embarrassment, as she never quite fits in, and you never know what's going to come out of her mouth, you nevertheless love her.

Lastly, I find the William Price comment to be personally insulting. Though I have admittedly changed my views over the years, for the past few years I have quite steadily remained a post-Christian (for lack of a better term). In addition to that, never in all years here, have I ever given myself a title such as evangelist or prophet, nor have I proclaimed myself to be in any kind of ministry. I also have not tried to recruit people to my way of thinking. I haven't disfellowshipped those who belief differently from me, and I haven't sent anyone to hell who doesn't believe exactly as I do.

Mich, let me ask you some questions?

Did you mind me responding to your opinion about God's Word?

Do you think William Price is only known for his constant changes, or that he flaunts those changes in front of those who hold those truths dear?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com