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Old 12-22-2009, 05:06 PM
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Re: Why Preterism is a false doctrine

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Ok, since it is all relative, what about Isaiah 9:6:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called, the wonderful Counseler, the Might God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.

This too is a prophecy scripture. Just whose birth is this relative to in our modern day disregarding all previous generations and fulfillments?
This is of Jesus of course. The relative part of this is that he is fulfilling this for us today. He fulfilled this when he was born but in a relative theology sense he is still fulfilling this for you and I.

See how relative theology works?
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:27 AM
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Re: Why Preterism is a false doctrine

Yes, it is so relative it hides the author intent and the leading of the Holy Ghost and the context of the scripture. One would be able to take any scripture and make it say what they wanted it too with the proper relative interpretation.

No thanks!
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:50 PM
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Sigh,

It allmost makes you wish Epley was back, he added so much to these discussions!


It just hasn't been the same since Burke, Benin and Epley have been gone!

Maybe they got raptured out of here.



Let's see if I can feel their shoes!



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Makes us feel like old times!

Now it really does feel like old times

Hey, AFP 1996 good to see you, tell 'ole Bro. Burk and Benicasa to come on out.
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:03 PM
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To be honest with you, I too was researching certain things to "prove" preterism could not be correct, but I ended up concluding, it was my views that did not hold up to the scrutiny of honesty, and Biblical intent.
I dare say, some are afraid to honestly look into why preterist believe what they do believe, for concern there own views may need to be reconsidered.
Interesting, that's all I'll say for now.
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:48 PM
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Interesting, that's all I'll say for now.
I'll tell you what! All the preterits are, at best, probably heritics!

Forsaking the rapture, saying the devil is destroyed,

God help us all!


What next?
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Old 12-24-2009, 01:18 AM
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Interesting, that's all I'll say for now.
Ahh, Come on out and play.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:41 AM
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Re: Why Preterism is a false doctrine

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I'll tell you what! All the preterits are, at best, probably heritics!

Forsaking the rapture, saying the devil is destroyed,

God help us all!


What next?

brother, not ALL preterists believe what you posted. Maybe "What next", should be that you learn what different preterist believe, instead of just caliing everybody heritics at best.






New International Version (©1984)
For in just a very little while, "He who is coming will come and will not delay.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"For in just a little while, the Coming One will come and not delay.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE, HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY.

International Standard Version (©2008)
For "in a very little while the one who is coming will return- he will not delay;

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Yet, the one who is coming will come soon. He will not delay.

King James Bible
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

American King James Version
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

American Standard Version
For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry.

Bible in Basic English
In a very little time he who is coming will come; he will not be slow.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For yet a little and a very little while, and he that is to come, will come, and will not delay.

Darby Bible Translation
For yet a very little while he that comes will come, and will not delay.

English Revised Version
For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry.

Webster's Bible Translation
For yet a little while, and he that is coming will come, and will not tarry.

Weymouth New Testament
For there is still but a short time and then "The coming One will come and will not delay.

World English Bible
"In a very little while, he who comes will come, and will not wait.

Young's Literal Translation
for yet a very very little, He who is coming will come, and will not tarry;


Geneva Study Bible
For yet a {s} little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.





"In a very very little while"
"Will NOT Delay"
"Will NOT Tarry"


Question:
In what reasonable amount of time in years, would His coming then become a delay or tarry, this scripture says He will NOT tarry and will NOT delay? 2000 + years?



People's New Testament commentary

And he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Soon Christ will come, either in person or by his providence, in such a way as to bring relief. He did thus come very soon after and ended Jewish persecution by the overthrow of the nation. This is a frequent sense of oft-repeated allusions to the coming of the Lord found both in the Old Testament and New Testament. See Hab 2:5-20. The passage there quoted refers to the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, and is here applied to the destruction by the Romans.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:46 AM
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I'll tell you what! All the preterits are, at best, probably heritics!

Forsaking the rapture, saying the devil is destroyed,

God help us all!


What next?
Yeah and pentecostals play with snakes, nut jobs!
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Shag

These folks don't search scripture, some just go with the program just thinking if it's in the search for truth study it's truth.
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Old 12-24-2009, 10:07 AM
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Now it really does feel like old times

Hey, AFP 1996 good to see you, tell 'ole Bro. Burk and Benicasa to come on out.
Brother Burk and Brother Benincasa have been very busy from what I understand. They'll be back when they slow down.
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