What would you have said to someone who would have said that very same thing in, say, 60 AD, before all the NT books were written? How do you know it's finished now?
We went over this months ago. The books were written in one generation. God would not give one generation of the church truths that another generation did not get, if those truths were vitally necessary. FAITH, bro FAITH. Cannot get around faith in all of this.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
We went over this months ago. The books were written in one generation. God would not give one generation of the church truths that another generation did not get, if those truths were vitally necessary. FAITH, bro FAITH. Cannot get around faith in all of this.
So, it's your opinion (and your FAITH in that opinion ) of what God would or would not do that tells you it's finished? And you don't think God would ever have anything new to say? Maybe it wouldn't be something vitally necessary, but just helpful.
Any comment on my question?
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OK, here's a somewhat different "take" on the original question. Is the Bible complete, not in the sense that is finished and no more will ever be added to it, but in the sense that it contains all we need to know, for our spiritual life and well-being?
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So, it's your opinion (and your FAITH in that opinion ) of what God would or would not do that tells you it's finished? And you don't think God would ever have anything new to say? Maybe it wouldn't be something vitally necessary, but just helpful.
I believe Gods speaks like that all the time! The RHEMA word. But it cannot contradict the written word in principle.
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Any comment on my question?
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OK, here's a somewhat different "take" on the original question. Is the Bible complete, not in the sense that is finished and no more will ever be added to it, but in the sense that it contains all we need to know, for our spiritual life and well-being?
Yes. I believe it is complete in that sense, too.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
No, but what may be misconstrued as contradictions are actually differences in covenants.
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Thanks! Now my follow-up question:
Is it necessary to know exactly which books God intended to be in the Bible?
By faith I believe God has caused what we have to be what we have. So, the questions is almost moot to me, unless I am missing something.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
No, but what may be misconstrued as contradictions are actually differences in covenants.
For example, the answer to the question "How can my sins be forgiven?" would be different, depending on which Testament you looked at. And sure, this is a difference in covenant. I won't even insist on calling it a contradiction. Things just changed. BUT: how do you know things won't change yet again? Who's going to stop God from making a third way of salvation?
OK, if you are convinced He won't change that again, how about other things? He might say some new things, make new promises e.g., that don't contradict anything in the NT or OT, but are just new! What if someone writes down what God tells him to write, and gives this new promise to the world? Would you accept it?
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By faith I believe God has caused what we have to be what we have. So, the questions is almost moot to me, unless I am missing something.
There must be some reason to have that faith in those 66 books. And if it is important to know that God's word is those 66 books (if it is), then shouldn't the Bible itself spell that out? Seems like a pretty important doctrine! (That's one of my follow-ups. )
BTW, when you talk about "what we have", it of course depends on who "we" are. Some don't use the same 66 books. There are canons that have other books addes, and some canons are missing some of the 66. But only one "we" (at most!) can be right. Right?
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For example, the answer to the question "How can my sins be forgiven?" would be different, depending on which Testament you looked at. And sure, this is a difference in covenant. I won't even insist on calling it a contradiction. Things just changed. BUT: how do you know things won't change yet again? Who's going to stop God from making a third way of salvation?
Some are TRYING to see a third way, by mixing law with Grace and having animal sacrifices again in the millennium. But Paul said this one REMAINETH. 2 Cor 3:11
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OK, if you are convinced He won't change that again, how about other things? He might say some new things, make new promises e.g., that don't contradict anything in the NT or OT, but are just new! What if someone writes down what God tells him to write, and gives this new promise to the world? Would you accept it?
If it does not conflict with the Word, and is not something that saints from every age would miss out on since it did not come til now.
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There must be some reason to have that faith in those 66 books. And if it is important to know that God's word is those 66 books (if it is), then shouldn't the Bible itself spell that out? Seems like a pretty important doctrine! (That's one of my follow-ups. )
BTW, when you talk about "what we have", it of course depends on who "we" are. Some don't use the same 66 books. There are canons that have other books addes, and some canons are missing some of the 66. But only one "we" (at most!) can be right. Right?
I speak generally about mankind when I say we.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Some are TRYING to see a third way, by mixing law with Grace and having animal sacrifices again in the millennium. But Paul said this one REMAINETH. 2 Cor 3:11
If it does not conflict with the Word, and is not something that saints from every age would miss out on since it did not come til now.
You would not allow for God to give this generation something new and wonderful?
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I speak generally about mankind when I say we.
Ohhh, that "we"! Well we have a whole lot more than the 66-book canon! Maybe I'm jumping to the wrong conclusion. I thought you believed that the usual OT+NT Bible is the Word of God, all of it and nothing else.
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) of what God would or would not do that tells you it's finished? And you don't think God would ever have anything new to say? Maybe it wouldn't be something vitally necessary, but just helpful.
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