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Old 01-08-2009, 05:06 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue

I just searched and found out it was you that I paraphrased about Mormon fruit! Ironic!
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:01 PM
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Sorry for the mocking tone and almost condescension, but do you have any substantive response to my posts? How about my observations about fruit? Any help for that man on the street I mentioned?
Well, I dont like to get into discussions on this topic, since they have a tendency to become, drawn-out, circular, and largely unfruitful.

But if you're one who likes reading, you might do well to invest a some time, and a few bucks, in a book called "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel.

The author was a former skeptic/atheist who became a believer.
He deals with some of the toughest questions critics often ask, dealing with a variety of questions relating to the Bible, history, archaelogy, science, etc. I think he handles the questions very well showing how the available evidence strongly supports the veracity of the bible and its message regarding Christ and his resurrection. I've been recommending the book to others for years now. I think its the kind of book that both Christians and non Christians might find to be quite eye-opening, and an overall good read.

Used copies are usually available online for $3-4 plus shipping,
More info is at this link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...7/ref=dp_olp_1

Hope that's helpful somewhat.

(Have you prayed to God about this, by the way? Just wondering.)
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Well, I dont like to get into discussions on this topic, since they have a tendency to become, drawn-out, circular, and largely unfruitful.

But if you're one who likes reading, you might do well to invest a some time, and a few bucks, in a book called "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel.

The author was a former skeptic/atheist who became a believer.
He deals with some of the toughest questions critics often ask, dealing with a variety of questions relating to the Bible, history, archaelogy, science, etc. I think he handles the questions very well showing how the available evidence strongly supports the veracity of the bible and its message regarding Christ and his resurrection. I've been recommending the book to others for years now. I think its the kind of book that both Christians and non Christians might find to be quite eye-opening, and an overall good read.

Used copies are usually available online for $3-4 plus shipping,
More info is at this link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...7/ref=dp_olp_1

Hope that's helpful somewhat.

(Have you prayed to God about this, by the way? Just wondering.)
I think we have that book. I have read The Case for Faith, and found it a somewhat better at answering the usual questions than the usual pat answers, but still not quite satisfying.

And yes, I have prayed about this, a lot.
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Did you speak in tongues at this time?
I spoke in tongues 6 to 8 months after the event of my conversion.
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I think we have that book. I have read The Case for Faith, and found it a somewhat better at answering the usual questions than the usual pat answers, but still not quite satisfying.

And yes, I have prayed about this, a lot.
we?
as in you and your wife?
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Yes.
If you dont mind me asking...
do you both have similar beliefs regarding God, the Bible, etc?
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:04 PM
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If you dont mind me asking...
do you both have similar beliefs regarding God, the Bible, etc?
No, our views are quite different now. She still believes the inspiration and infallibility of the Bible.
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TR France if they think tongues are demonic they have to be reading it from somewere in the bible why else would they think like this. I know what you are saying because I have heard the exact samething..
I don't know of any place in the Bible that says that tongues are demonic.

Actually, to me, attributing speaking with tongues in Christian worship and practice to be demonic in origin sounds dangerously close to what those folks were doing in Matthew 12:22-37.

Speaking in tongues is a phenomenon that does occur in religions outside Christianity. I have heard or read somewhere that it is practiced by those in Voodoo. I have heard (don't know if it is true) that it has been done by Mormons.

Speaking with tongues was something that had been happening in Corinth before the Gospel ever came there. When people wanted to inquire of the Oracle of Delphi, they were brought to her, she spoke with tongues, and then someone interpreted it for the inquirer. Since this was obviously part of heathen worship outside of the Gospel of Christ, some folks might think the same thing about the experience when they hear of it happening in Christian churches.

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BTW, Jesus also said how people would recognize His followers. John 13:35.

Does that still work today?
That's how to tell the professors from the possessors in 2009.
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