Thanks Sherri! You said what I wanted to say, but only better!
I do agree with Amos about the early pioneers from the PCI. I believe you would have to corner them to tell the difference, because they preached the Acts 2:38 message very strongly!
Actually, that's how I am today! I'm not happy at how my own church seems to downplay the importance of Holy Ghost Baptism.
Why would Papa Glass be involved in leadership with a group of men (PCI) he was very opposed to? Was the PAJC very strong in his area? If so, why didn't he join men of like belief?
Pastor G, please understand that I have no emotional dog in this fight. I'm just asking questions out of interest. Until I read Fudge's book, I had no idea what was going on right under my nose!
PM, I know you are one of the good guys as Sherri said... However, the title of this thread says, "Mystery Solved!" And on and on you went... Now you say you are just asking questions out of interest...
In Post 1 you say you have solved the Mystery and this last post you just meant to ask questions...
I can't stop you from wondering, but if you can't take it from a nephew (me) who knows and has his old notes from the 50's... and is close friends with RJ, who was the closest man alive to Papa George the last 10 years of his life and his pastor and BTW will tell you the same thing I am telling you, or from Ferd, whose family heard him preach it not long before his death... From his remaining 3 brothers, all of which he pastored at one time or another, two of those being preachers,,, preaching the exact same 3 steps that he did... then my friend, there is something wrong...
I don't know about the book you mentioned, however, just because something is in print form doesn't mean it is legitimate...
If you are asking the question... I am telling you the answer... George Glass Sr. believed in 3 steps for salvation...
There you go... Now the "Mystery" is solved...
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Pastor G, I know that you're very passionate about this issue, so I'll back away.
When GLGJr told me that his dad never preached that those without the Holy Ghost were going to hell, I took it upon myself to come to the conclusion that I did.
That comment, and the fact that he was a leader in the PCI, led me to my conclusion. My conclusion may very well be wrong, but it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.
I have no doubt that Papa Glass preached Acts 2:38 very strongly! You do have a point that most preachers who came through his leadership are 3 steppers!
I hope you know that I'm not trying to tear down your uncle at all. I admire him extremely.
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The so-called "One-Steppers" that were a part of the merger were a different breed than the ones claiming the title today.
They had come out of denominations into Pentecost and preached Acts 2:38 with fervor to the point that their preaching and emphasis was difficult to tell apart from the PAJC men.
The ones claiming that distinction today are in many cases moving away from the distinctives of Pentecost and seem to be embarassed by their heritage.
They go to the pulpit looking for excuses not to preach the Acts experience and justify the Baptists and other easy believism folks.
Big difference.
This is true the majority of of the PCI men preached Acts 2:38 so fervently you could not have told the difference a far cry from their decendents today.
Have you considered both sides might be somewhat correct? Elder Glass may have grown stronger in his views and teaching? I do know the Bemis church never believed the new birth messageand most of the PCI leadership. But there is a long time period between 1945 and when the Elder died. This thread reminds me of one we had on FCF where Vickie and myself had a knockdown drag out over the Munseys she was saying Frank Munsey thought it was alright for women to cut their hair and I had heard him preach the opposite. It was very heated. Then I asked her when was she speaking of and it was in the 80's and I heard him in the 60's and time does change things-people-positions. So maybe the same is here. My pastor preaching sounded as though it was Acts 2:38 or Hell but when you personally asked him he was kind and might give alot of latitude. There are others who are the same that just is not my makeup I do not want to be crude and rude but Ido want to be consistant so I don't budge publicly or privately.
Have you considered both sides might be somewhat correct? Elder Glass may have grown stronger in his views and teaching? I do know the Bemis church never believed the new birth messageand most of the PCI leadership. But there is a long time period between 1945 and when the Elder died. This thread reminds me of one we had on FCF where Vickie and myself had a knockdown drag out over the Munseys she was saying Frank Munsey thought it was alright for women to cut their hair and I had heard him preach the opposite. It was very heated. Then I asked her when was she speaking of and it was in the 80's and I heard him in the 60's and time does change things-people-positions. So maybe the same is here. My pastor preaching sounded as though it was Acts 2:38 or Hell but when you personally asked him he was kind and might give alot of latitude. There are others who are the same that just is not my makeup I do not want to be crude and rude but Ido want to be consistant so I don't budge publicly or privately.
You may be right, Bo. Epley! He may have changed over the years. It's something to consider.
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Pastor G, was Bro Glass a "one stepper" while a member of the PCI and then after joining the UPC became convinced of the "three step" description of salvation?
Mizpeh, the misconception is that the PCI was dominated by 1 step preachers. thus we call that the PCI doctrine.
however, that isnt really accurate. the fact is, the PCI had many Water/Spirit men. my understanding is that it is likely to have been a majority of the PCI were W/S.
the PAJC had a few one step preachers but the W/S was very dominant.
In fact Papa George's home church (my home church) produced many W/S preachers from a UPCI GS to a current bible school leader.
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Mizpeh, the misconception is that the PCI was dominated by 1 step preachers. thus we call that the PCI doctrine.
however, that isnt really accurate. the fact is, the PCI had many Water/Spirit men. my understanding is that it is likely to have been a majority of the PCI were W/S.
the PAJC had a few one step preachers but the W/S was very dominant.
In fact Papa George's home church (my home church) produced many W/S preachers from a UPCI GS to a current bible school leader.
While what you are saying may be true, Papa George must have been tolerant to fellowship with one steppers. In fact, tolerant enough to become one of their leaders.
Does anyone know his feelings from the 1978 GC when many PCIers (like LH Hardwick) walked?
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My father, who was PCI and at the merger, started out a one-stepper and ended up a 'modified' 3 stepper.........
What's a "modified" 3 stepper?
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