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Old 06-24-2008, 03:42 PM
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Re: Obama's "Not Exactly's"

For the record, I have been sent this email and instead of forwarding, I replied and explained that most of it was either junk or unimportant.

the reasons for not voting for Obama can be found on Obama's website.

dude is a first class socialist who in his own words wants to repeat Herbert Hoovers perscription for our economy, wants to repeat the mistakes of JFK that led to the Cuban Missle crisis and wants to repeat the same mistakes with oil companies that Jimmy "I cant get my own party to agree with me" Carter did in relation to high oil prices.

Obama has in his own words articulated a plan to sit down with our enemies and invade our allies, raise the cost of a gallon of gas (windfall profit tax) in order to lower the cost of gas, protect Americans from terrorism by reducing investment in the armed services, and expand the size of government by 1.4 trillion dollars.

THESE are the very spicific reasons NOT to vote for Barak Obama. I dont care if his daddy is a goat hearder or a mass murderer.
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Old 06-24-2008, 04:29 PM
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Re: Obama's "Not Exactly's"

LOL....... Hey, I should jump over to the political posts instead of the doctrinal more often. Much more emotional here

Yes, go to each candidate's website to get their view on the issues.... I'm sure all the info presented will be completely frank and unbiased ROFL

I find it fascinating Obama is in favor of killing a fully born child after a failed abortion attempt. That's just cold....
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Old 06-24-2008, 04:48 PM
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Re: Obama's "Not Exactly's"

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LOL....... Hey, I should jump over to the political posts instead of the doctrinal more often. Much more emotional here

Yes, go to each candidate's website to get their view on the issues.... I'm sure all the info presented will be completely frank and unbiased ROFL

I find it fascinating Obama is in favor of killing a fully born child after a failed abortion attempt. That's just cold....
Yes, Adino, you should venture into the political threads more often. Where else can someone find people who will believe any fear based, hysteria producing article they find on the internet, as long as it's pointed towards the candidate they're against?
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Old 06-24-2008, 05:20 PM
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Re: Obama's "Not Exactly's"

Here's an article I found on Obama and Muslim Americans.


While the senator has visited churches and synagogues, he has yet to appear at a single mosque. Muslim and Arab-American organizations have tried repeatedly to arrange meetings with Mr. Obama, but officials with those groups say their invitations — unlike those of their Jewish and Christian counterparts — have been ignored.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/us...yt&oref=slogin
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Old 06-24-2008, 05:41 PM
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Re: Obama's "Not Exactly's"

I think many of you guys know that I'm not an Obama fan by any means... just one glance at the picture in signature will tell you that.

That being said, I must say I find the original post on this thread to be repugnant and disgusting. Yes, there's some truth in there, but there are also some flat-out lies and distortions mixed in there too (not to mention unverifiable assertions which may also be false for all we know).

Fact is, the internet has become a cesspool of all kinds of inaccurate and/or blatantly false garbage, and I feel people need to be careful about the stuff they pull out of the dumpster known as the worldwide web... even more so when they are going to post it on a Christian forum.

...just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:21 PM
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I hate to sound trite, but freedom is never free. Who will pay the price for this supposed freedom? And too much freedom is as bad as not enough sometimes.
Jesus Christ purchased freedom for all mankind. However, some very brave service men also gave all to preserve this freedom.

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Old 06-24-2008, 07:28 PM
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Thought some might be interested in a list of Obama's "inexactitudes" currently circulating. The list is known on the web as " Obama's Not Exactly's ".

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1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran f or presid ent and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43. 75% Arab ic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.....25%25_African

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in islam' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." This is just one example of what Pamela is ta lking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting "Present" is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Wit hout Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide. 31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.



Adino,

Thanks for posting this. It is mind blowing that America is seroiusly considering electing a guy with this little experience, radical left wing agenda, and lack of track record.

Just two years in the Senate and a state legislature before that and America is going to elect this guy with extreme radical connections for the past 20 years to the highest office in the land. Amazing.

Of course all of our objections are simply because we are "racist". If you don't believe it just ask Obama.
It is interesting that America would be willing to elect Obama. But here's the deal...I don't think it's Obama they're voting for necessarily. I think it's George Bush and his policies they are voting against. I think the American people will vote for nearly anyone as long as they present a break from George Bush's policies and arrogance.

Bush is no Reagan.
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:31 PM
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Good posting, Aquila. Whether you agree with Obama or not, these goofy propaganda emails in conjunction with all of the "the world is ending" posts detract from discussion of the actual issues.
Amen. That's all I'm saying. I support Obama but I can respect that some people don't based on his policy positions. What gets my goat is when people who are supposed to be Christians loose all sense of rationality over these things.
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:35 PM
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If any of that is true how are you going to believe anything the man says?

What do you think the actual issues are?
"IF" any of that is true??? LOL Listen to yourself. I found at least three gross distortions of reality while reading through them. The others I'm confident are spin or half truths too.

Stick with the issues. The issues are:

Budget & Economy
Civil Rights
Corporations
Crime
Drugs
Education
Energy & Oil
Environment
Families & Children
Foreign Policy
Trade
Government Reform
Health Care
Homeland Security
Immigration
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so while I dont care if his dad was a goat herder or a kenyon deathsquad leader, I do care if he fabricates his own history to give himself street cred.
Obama's not the only one re-creating himself....let's look at McCain's self reinvention:

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.
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