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Old 06-23-2008, 01:36 PM
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Disrespect for government emblems???? Huh?

Obama's idea of patriotism-- one must do more than wear an American flag lapel. True patriotism requires that one does something.

In changing the Presidential Seal for campaign purposes, he has not done anything to show disrespect for our government or that seal.

More has been done to disrespect this government emblem by the bad decisions of this current admin, IMO.
evidently Obama's view of Patriotism is losing what ever war American is currently fighting and to repeat the failures of past administrations in an effort to not fail....

to make drastic cuts in Americas military in order to protect America

I think I would rather a guy willing to offer up platitudes and take opinion polls on what his position should be. generally that keeps an Ideologue from really messing things up (i.e. Bill "the Cigar" Clinton)...

I think I could live without Barak's version of patriotism.
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Where do I start?

Obama's failure to salute the flag during the national anthem, his refusal, until it became an issue, to wear the flag lapel as a show of support, his wife having never in her adult life been proud of America.

Wow, makes me wanna vote for him to lead a country that neither he nor his wife has any respect for.

Mr. Obama was accused of not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance, but it proved to be a lie.
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/20...ama-natio.html

Didn't Ms. Obama explain what she meant by that statement?
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Whether we believe it or not we are living in the last days. If Obama wins or loses that is yet to be seen however he and what he stands for is mostly evil...
People in my church are astonished that educated America would follow such a man.
Amazing Sister A. It boggles the mind. but so many here are completly blind.
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I see your point, tstew, although, I don't see why he needed to use this for his campaign. He has enough people questioning who he really is, well, people who really care that is.

It was just a poor choice and since I don't like him already.........
Well at least you're honest about it . I'm not saying that it was smart, but it was an attempt to make him look presidential. Others have used similar tactics.
I know you may find this hard to believe, but I am actually not an Obama supporter. I just got tired of hearing an extreme accusation, then examining it and seeing it was actually alarmist in nature and had very little actual value. It comes across as crying wolf and eventually people (particularly in my generation) will quit listening and that could be very detrimental.
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and for my not caring for him has nothing to do with his color...I am sure some might think that is the reason...not in a million years...
Sis. I don't think that anyone who knows you would think that.

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Mr. Obama was accused of not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance, but it proved to be a lie.
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/20...ama-natio.html

Didn't Ms. Obama explain what she meant by that statement?
your link proves the point. Mr. Obama failed to salute the flag (place hand over heart) during the National Anthem as Baron said.


what ever offering Mrs. Obama might make concerning her "first time I have been truely proud of my country as an adult comment"

dont undo the fact that she made that comment.
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Mr. Obama was accused of not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance, but it proved to be a lie.
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/20...ama-natio.html

Didn't Ms. Obama explain what she meant by that statement?
I correctly stated it was the national anthem rather than the pledge, real patriots salute the flag during the national anthem.

When the national anthem is played or sung, citizens should stand at attention and salute at the first note and hold the salute through the last note. The salute is directed to the flag, if displayed, otherwise to the music.

http://www.americanflags.org/docs/et...81119362392163

Seems to me every American ought to be aware of this especially if he plans on running for president.

Below is from your link.
A chain e-mail says a photograph shows Barack Obama is unpatriotic because he "refused" to say the Pledge of Allegiance and did not put his hand over his heart. But the photo was taken during the national anthem, not the Pledge.

And yes Mrs. Obama did try to spin her comments after the uproar.
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evidently Obama's view of Patriotism is losing what ever war American is currently fighting and to repeat the failures of past administrations in an effort to not fail....

to make drastic cuts in Americas military in order to protect America

I think I would rather a guy willing to offer up platitudes and take opinion polls on what his position should be. generally that keeps an Ideologue from really messing things up (i.e. Bill "the Cigar" Clinton)...

I think I could live without Barak's version of patriotism.
So when he expressed his willingness to bomb Pakistan (who harbors terrorists) and was criticized for being to eager to bomb an "ally", he was really expressing that he ants America to lose the war on terrorism.

Where did he propose to make drastic cuts to the military?
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Well at least you're honest about it . I'm not saying that it was smart, but it was an attempt to make him look presidential. Others have used similar tactics.
I know you may find this hard to believe, but I am actually not an Obama supporter. I just got tired of hearing an extreme accusation, then examining it and seeing it was actually alarmist in nature and had very little actual value. It comes across as crying wolf and eventually people (particularly in my generation) will quit listening and that could be very detrimental.
Perhaps some things reported are alarmist in nature.

I still contend that his changing of the seal, in lieu, of his non-wearing of the American flag did him harm. It was posted on CNN and some other sites, so I think the American people take issue with it.

I just don't see a decorated war hero tampering with the Seal. Can't see McCain doing that.

Very poor choice for this young, arrogant, skinny, punky fellow. JMHO, of course.

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I wouldn't have a problem with it if he'd left everything the same and just put Obama for President around the circle, but to change the two things that he did was very "in your face" and sending a message.
Continuously moving or disrepecting the AMERICAN FLAG is serious to me!
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