Pastor forced to leave by cops @Tulsa Meeting

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I always made A in school except for one subject, you can guess which one that was.

uh... P.E.?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Sis Falla -- we've been missing you!

Thank you, Sis. Renda,

Sometimes it's just time to be still and know...that HE IS GOD!!!

Blessings,

Falla39

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

That is a good question.

I have wondered the same thing, but really, it wouldn't matter what these men did, they are still the root of all evil to a certain element.

It's funny to me how the UPC can be the great Satan around here until the WWPF comes along, and now all of a sudden they want to defend the old Mothership like they wish they'd never left.

You are correct there!! This is actually pretty telling to me.

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

The why's and wherefore's are inconsequential, my friend. The reason for leaving was the same - new policy violated existing convictions.

The resistance that many of the 1992 "defectors" felt came way before they changed their official stance.

It's the same old song and dance, in my book. A preacher can get up at a General conference, or camp meeting, or any other type of meeting, and preach his personal convictions as far to the right as he cares to, and people will still accept him in the fellowship. However, if a man dares preach a bit to the left, he's blackballed.

I'm not bitter about it, it's just the way it is.

And, I think we're seeing it here as well.

Folks leave because the UPC has gone to the "left" in their opinion, and they are considered martyrs for the faith.

Folks leave because the UPC has gone a bit too far "right" and they are ostracized and considered backsliders.

Just my humble opinion........

Not meaning to hijack the thread here...but are you the self-appointed spiritual guru I've been hearing so much about?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Brother, a major difference between these men and many of the 1992 emigrants is that many of them very quickly dropped their standards and changed their doctrine.

Not so with these men.

Their message and lifestyle is unchanged.

Are you sure Coon?

I think some have changed since the vote.

There have been reports of some swinging to the right, and, depending on your perspective, embracing tenents of leagalism...

Also, there have been several reports of severing relationships and disfellowshipping...

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

That is a good question.

I have wondered the same thing, but really, it wouldn't matter what these men did, they are still the root of all evil to a certain element.

It's funny to me how the UPC can be the great Satan around here until the WWPF comes along, and now all of a sudden they want to defend the old Mothership like they wish they'd never left.

I've defended the Tulsa brethren on this thread repeatedly, although I have allowed that there is a certain amount of politics involved with this decision.

Here's my take on it - I believe most of them left because they felt that their convictions had finally been violated to a point of no return.

I also believe that's why most of the brethren left back in 1992.

NOw, to the liberals among us, the UPC was bad and the defecting liberal brethren were heroes, or more like patriots, leaving to start a better country.

Unfortunately, the organization that these men started back in '92 didn't go very far, and eventually most of these guys integrated into other existing fellowships.

Now, we have the same, but converse situation. A group of brethren are leaving because they feel their convictions have finally been violated beyond their tolerance level, and to many on the conservative side, they are viewed as heroes, pioneers, and patriots.

It's my strong opinion that this fellowship will not be nearly as large as many think it will, simply because you'll have quite a few people who go check it out and come back to the mothership.

In both cases, you'll notice, the UPC was and is the evil organization forcing good brethren out with it's policies.

The fact of the matter is this - no matter why you leave, you'll be idolized by some and ostracized by some, the issues are inconsequential.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by CareyM

Not meaning to hijack the thread here...but are you the self-appointed spiritual guru I've been hearing so much about?

One and the same, Sister.

Need advice? I'm your man.

Without my sense of balance and deep wisdom, AFF would crumble around our very ears.

On which weighty matter may I consult with you today?

[TrueNorth]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

The why's and wherefore's are inconsequential, my friend. The reason for leaving was the same - new policy violated existing convictions.

The resistance that many of the 1992 "defectors" felt came way before they changed their official stance.

It's the same old song and dance, in my book. A preacher can get up at a General conference, or camp meeting, or any other type of meeting, and preach his personal convictions as far to the right as he cares to, and people will still accept him in the fellowship. However, if a man dares preach a bit to the left, he's blackballed.

I'm not bitter about it, it's just the way it is.

And, I think we're seeing it here as well.

Folks leave because the UPC has gone to the "left" in their opinion, and they are considered martyrs for the faith.

Folks leave because the UPC has gone a bit too far "right" and they are ostracized and considered backsliders.

Just my humble opinion........

You hit the nail right on the head.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I always made A in school except for one subject, you can guess which one that was.

Logic?

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

One and the same, Sister.

Need advice? I'm your man.

Without my sense of balance and deep wisdom, AFF would crumble around our very ears.

On which weighty matter may I consult with you today?

I was sure it was some kind of sick joke...now I know it is!!!