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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Then evidently, the only trinitarian you've talked to is Hank Haanagraaf.
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Nope, that's not true.
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Nope, that's not true.
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You're saying that EVERY trinitarian you've talked to has condemned you to hell???? You don't get out much.
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06-30-2010, 10:56 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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You're saying that EVERY trinitarian you've talked to has condemned you to hell???? You don't get out much.
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No, I didn't say "every"! But the vast majority consider Oneness to be unorthodox and anathema.
http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html
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06-30-2010, 11:07 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
Bro McGruder has performed, sung and PREACHED for the AOG for many years. I went to a local AOG to hear him preach just a couple years ago. Fabulous!
When was the last time your camp/church invited an AOG minister or singer?
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-30-2010, 11:11 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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To say that something is "unorthodox" isn't the same as saying everyone who believes that "is gonna burn in hell!!!"
In the long history of the Christian faith, there have been many times when sincere brethren will disagree, even riot, loot and burn down "heretical" churches - but they don't necessarily believe that others "are going to hell" just because of a difference of opinion.
Many heretics that were burned at the stake were burned or often strangled and then burned because the persecutors didn't want to be guilty of "spilling Christian blood."
"No hard feelings... you're my brother and you're in God's hands now... BURN HIM!"
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06-30-2010, 11:13 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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To say that something is "unorthodox" isn't the same as saying everyone who believes that "is gonna burn!!!"
In the long history of the Christian faith, there have been many times when sincere brethren will disagree, even riot, loot and burn down "heretical" churches - but they don't necessarily believe that others "are going to hell" just because of a difference of opinion.
Many heretics that were burned at the stake were burned or often strangled and then burned because the persecutors didn't want to be guilty of "spilling Christian blood."
"No hard feelings... you're my brother and you're in God's hands now... BURN HIM!"
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Did you read the last part of the Athanasian Creed that I gave the link to?
"44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved."
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Did you read the last part of the Athanasian Creed that I gave the link to?
"44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved."
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This particular version of the "Athanasian Creed" is a fraudulent document whose earliest attribution came at least 200 years after the death of Athanasius.
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Im saying There are Trinitarian scholars, like the ones I already quoted, that admit this verse can be translated quite differently.
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Thank you.
Do you think the critical consideration for their interpretations is because they are "Trinitarian?" Is that the turning point? Also, how many scholars do you think support that idea that the verse should be translated differently?
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07-01-2010, 03:13 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Seriously? The most obvious and easiest to document would be in John Wolframs book many voices.
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Never heard of him...he documents Oneness Pentecostal college students going to a trinitarian church and taking it over?
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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07-01-2010, 03:23 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Thank you.
Do you think the critical consideration for their interpretations is because they are "Trinitarian?" Is that the turning point? Also, how many scholars do you think support that idea that the verse should be translated differently?
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I think it's possible.
I don't know of any that says it should be, that is not the point. The point is these Trinitarians themselves point out how it could be translated. I don't doubt Jews translate the verse it comes from in the OT differently.
Psa 45:6 (45:7) Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Psa 45:7 (45:8) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Here is the RSV
Psa 45:6 Your divine throne endures for ever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;
Here is the ESV
Psa 45:6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;
GNB
Psa 45:6 The kingdom that God has given you will last forever and ever. You rule over your people with justice;
Compare this with the verse in Hebrews
Heb 1:8 About the Son, however, God said: "Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever! You rule over your people with justice.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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