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Old 09-18-2007, 01:07 PM
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She is pretty awesome isnt she?
Well, children I usually donīt get involved with what I call petty issues but since I have my book on this computer I decided for the sake of sincere men and women to present another veiw..for I am a woman, a mother, a wife a grandmother, and a servant to the church in Brazil.
I desire no office, seek no titles, ask for no Ordination papers but am a part of those who work in Godīs harvest fields...unnoticed I work best so maybe that is why God called me to this far country...It wearies my spirit the politics of the American church.
I love you folks...
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Thank you Daniel...because of circumstances here for many years I studied about women in ministy...I have no doubt that Jesus called me to be a missionary but I studied this in depth because of the Catholic church and especially William Branham´s teachings against women. I am not an ordained minister neither claim to be but precious Sister Agnes Holmes my mentor of many years is a beautiful example of a woman in ministry...I went to christian school when she and her husband pastored the church in north Little Rock and many Friday mornings in our assembly she would preach to us...she is old and feeble now. I watched them help her to the platform at Brother Holmes ' campmeeting and wiped tears from my eyes...remembering so long ago when she preached to us...I am very endebted to a woman preacher...
Awesome testimony... please tell me when you are ready to publish ... I'd like to volunteer my services to design your book cover ... at least you can consider the design?
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Acts 21:9: And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. Here we have a quartet of gospel women, who while living out their lives among heathen neighbors continued doing God’s will.
Notice these “girls” were in the company of Paul who said in 1 Corinthians 14:34,35: “women keep silence in the church.” Along with their father Philip, they were prophetesses. Do you think Paul said girls, don’t prophecy; it is not permitted for you to speak? Of course not!
To prophesy is to preach according to Webster (National Dictionary of English Language P. F. Collier & Son, New York 1937). Prophetess “female preacher” (Young’s Analytical Concordance pg. 781).
Some are quick to say they prophesied only in homes, and not in church, but Ephesians 4:12 says, “Even so ye, for as much as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.”



so it matters not if it is a housemeeting or a building WE are the church...
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In Romans 16:1-16 we find a list of prominent people, one out of three who were women. Over all, the Epistles and the book of Acts suggest that New Testament categories of leadership were far more diverse, far more complete, and far more loosely defined than today. Women and men alike taught, presided over house churches, spoke as prophets and teachers, served as deacons and worked as missionaries and discipled new converts to establish new believers in the new churches.
Women appear in the record wherever Christianity spread. Texts that mention women of Judea begin with the story of Pentecost. It records the outpouring of the Holy Ghost on men and women alike (Acts 1-2).
Paul speaks of Mary as working hard (bestowed much labor) among the Romans. The verb is used elsewhere by the Apostle to describe ministerial labor in the gospel. In Romans 16:12, it is applied to another woman Persis who has "labored much in the Lord". In I Corinthians 15:10 it capsizes apostolic labors. I Thessalonians 5:12 teaches respect for “those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord...” Their prepositional phrase translated "among you" is rendered "over you" in Galatians 4:11 in the RSV. It is possible that Mary had some overseeing responsibility in her ministry.
The text goes on to speak of Mary of Jerusalem (Acts 12:12). There is no mention of her husband, so it is safe to assume she pastored the church that met at her house. An order of widows is found in Acts 6:1-3, 1 Timothy 5:3-16. Paul designates Mary as working hard among the Romans. The verb is used in other scriptures by Paul to describe ministerial labor in the gospel.
Dorcas was a woman disciple (Acts 9:36-4). Most people think that the word disciple means a man. Disciple is an inclusive term or title and refers to all women or men seeking to follow God’s will and purpose for their lives.
In the cities of Asia Minor prominent women include Nymphas of Colossae, presided over a house church (Colossians 4:15) The Greek Church has listed Nymphas on the Greek Calendar, recognizing her as a holy Apostle Romans 16:7 “men of note,” men is omitted in the Greek, “ectshomic.”
Read according to Greek, "they are of note" the word "men" is inserted by the translators. From Rome Claudia sends greeting to Timothy (2 Timothy 4:20-21).
Junia was an apostolic woman. No male form of the name "Junia" existed in the Hellenistic world. The church father Chrysostom wrote and indeed to be Apostles at all is a great thing. But to be even amongst these of note, just consider what a great encomium this is. But they were of note owing to their works, to their achievements. Oh how great is the devotion of this woman that she should be even counted worthy of the appellation of apostle."

Tryphena, Tryphosa and dear Persis, the mother of Rufus (Romans 16:12). Persis who has worked hard in the Lord, First Corinthians 15:10 points out is named among the apostolic laborers. First Thessalonians 5:12 calls upon the church to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord. “Among you” is a prepositional phrase which is rendered over you in Galatians 4:11 RSV (repeat for Mary).
The account of the risen Jesus as discussed earlier reveal that woman could fulfill the requirements for the role of apostle. They have a direct confrontation with the risen Jesus and they receive a commission from Him to preach the gospel.

Julia and the sister of Nereus, Romans 16:11-16.

Apphea of Colossae, who hosts a house church with her husband Philemon (Colossians 4:9 and Philippians 1:2).

Priscilla, a mobile missionary who with her husband Aquilla works mainly in Ephesus (Acts 18:19-20; 1 Corinthians 16:19; Romans 16:3-5; 2 Timothy 4:19). They had a church in their home in Ephesus at two different times, John in 337 A. D. wrote that Priscilla was eloquent and proper and stated that her husband accompanied her.

In the cities of Macedonia and Greece, we read about Lydia.

Eudora and Syntyche of Philippe serve as co-workers with Paul in the gospel (Philippians 4:2-3).

Cited in Willion Sandy & Arthur Headlan, The Epistle to the Romans (Eldenbergh T & T Clark, 1902, p. 423). They have labored side by side with me (or fought beside me) in the gospel (Philippians 4:3). The compound verb “labored side by side” denotes unity in sharing a common task. Their women did not serve, under Paul or behind Paul or below Paul. They served beside Paul. They were equal with him in a common ministry. Notice In the Gospel, shows us a clear understanding they were ministers. Chloe speaks for some members of the church of Corinth. (1 Corinthians 1:11).

Phoebe is a deacon of the church of Cenchreas (Romans 16:1-2).

There is Typhaena and Tryphose who were probably sisters in Romans 16:12). They along with Persis are designated as workers in the Lord as with Mary in Romans 16:6; these women all engaged in ministerial activity. The word worker suggests more a function than office.
In First Thessalonians 5:12, Paul commands the church to give respect and recognition to the laborers and co-workers who are "over you in the Lord." In other places Paul uses these identical descriptive phrases to refer to his female colleagues. Ephesians 2:6 teaches that believers raised with Christ are seated with Him (sharing His rule) in the heavenly places and Romans 8:17calls us "fellow heirs with Christ". If it is Christ that dominates our vision, we will not be preoccupied with male or female or gender discrepancies for both will reign with Him.
Just from the examples in this chapter alone, we find women are called of God to preach, to teach, to pastor, and to handle the administration of the church.
Women are disciples of Christ. They are sisters in the Lord and they serve God on equal parallel line with their brothers. The streamline interpretation of the fall, blames women for sin coming into the world, conflicts with Paul’s teaching in Romans and First Corinthians. He strongly stressed that sin came into the world through Adam not the woman.
In the Apostle’s final greeting (Romans 16), he endorses and salutes both men and women who share in the ministry of the gospel in the church and in the world.
Long before Jesus’ time, discrimination of the women began during the Babylonian captivity or shortly afterward when the Jews returned from the dispersion under Persian King, Cyrus. The decline of women in Israel was always due to the invasion of heathen influence.
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Dora.......

I'm repeating myself here because I've said this so many times in the past. I never felt persecuted or "put down" or disrespected by the fact that I had to follow certain "standards" in regard to outward appearance.

Standards were never an issue for me. And in the churches I grew up in and that we pastored women were free to make individual choice regarding standards without the persecution or disrespect being talked about here on this thread.

Sure, they couldn't take part in some part of church leadership but if they were living a Godly life, they were considered part of the church and were respected for that.
Isn't this the point of this thread?
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Awesome testimony... please tell me when you are ready to publish ... I'd like to volunteer my services in designing your book cover ... at least you can consider the design?
It is pretty rough...needs a lot of work but I do want to publish it sometime..Would you like a rough copy? I need to look up a lot of the quotes and things like that..It was mostly used for me to teach our people here and the Catholic church and WB followers...
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Sis. Alvear, where can I order your book?
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It makes no difference to God whom we teach. Women counseled and taught men both in the New and Old Testament (Judges 4:5,2 Kings 22; Acts 18). Whatever curse was put upon mankind was destroyed through redemption, and no curse was put upon a woman concerning preaching.
Someone justifying his belief that men only could preach the gospel, said that preachers under the law of circumcision were all men. But remember baptism is for both men and women. What circumcision once represented under the Law, baptism now represents for us (both male and female) today (Revelation 1:6 Luke 20:35).
The difference in the priesthood and the ministry is that a person had to be born into the priesthood. Today, we are not born into the ministry but called into the ministry. The only priest in the Old Testament that was "called" was Aaron (Hebrew 5:4). The Levitical priesthood was abolished at Calvary.
Others have said He chose men only for disciples,. Well, they were Jews! Would that same reasoning mean that only Jewish men could be preachers? Of course not! O consistency thou art a jewel! He chose Jacob (younger), not Esau. He chose Moses instead of Aaron. He chose David instead of his brothers, and the list goes on. God does not work by man’s ideas, but He chooses whom He will. God had no trouble finding and using a donkey (female) to rebuke Balaam.
God knows how to humble the proud, and lift up the abased. He used a little boy’s lunch and that story is found in all four gospels. He knows how to use the widow’s two mites. And I’m sure He knows how to use redeemed women to proclaim His Word.
In His great foreknowledge, it is God that chooses who He wants to use. With or without man’s approval, God has and is using His spirit filled women today. They perform tasks which many say, "That’s not a woman’s place!" Just where is a woman’s place?
Some say the woman’s place is in the home. What if she can’t bear children and have the privilege to build a home? What if she is not married? Does she just sit around in a house and do nothing. Does she just live as a hermit of society? Just where is a woman’s place? This is God’s choosing. He chooses her place not another human being.
We can not act as the counselors of God. Some have tried to, but He must laugh at human reasoning. His own Word says, His ways are past finding out.

Some have said, Sis. Alvear, in synagogue services, women were not allowed to sit with the men. Yes, I know that; but when Christianity came there was no separation and no barriers. All became one in Christ Jesus (I Corinthians 7:19; Galatians 3:28; I Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 5:7-8).
It was the Pharisees and Sadducees that believed the woman to be inferior. Jesus was different. He did not hesitate to call a woman daughter of Abraham (Luke 13:16).
Jesus broke every tradition, crossed the boundary line and astonished them with His doctrine. Jesus does not condone one human being superior to another. He does not make slaves. He makes those who are enslaved, free!
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Sis. Alvear, where can I order your book?
I only have the rough copy in English I would be glad to share with you just pm me your home address...It is used to encouage all...
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It is pretty rough...needs a lot of work but I do want to publish it sometime..Would you like a rough copy? I need to look up a lot of the quotes and things like that..It was mostly used for me to teach our people here and the Catholic church and WB followers...
I'd love a copy !!! When you are ready ... we can think about a design ... may you can garner some help from the sterling ladies here in assisting in research and editing.
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