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10-21-2007, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I can't find the file I had on JTB but the general point was that he was asking Jesus to declare Himself to his disciples. JTB was, in effect, asking "Is my work done here?'
It was not that he doubted the "Lamb of God", it was that he wanted to know the plan. That is why Jesus responded the way He did.
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No. The question is pretty clear ....
And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
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10-21-2007, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
This person was his cousin, Mary and Joseph's son. This person was the one whom the dove lighted upon after being baptized by John. John pointed to Jesus and said, Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sins of the world.
For some reason John the Baptist was doubting and Dan is right again.
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John was in prison Mizpeh. He had no idea if this really was Jesus. That is why he sent his roving eyes...his disciples
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10-21-2007, 12:20 AM
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No I did not miss it. You are distorting what an open mind means. Open mindedness does not mean "Hey, I'll become a pedophile and see how that goes"....
An open mind is willing to examine the truth of a claim and if true accept it as being true. I can accept as being true that smoking crack will ruin your life but having an open mind does not mean I will try smoking crack to see how it feels.
An open MIND is about the MIND...it's about TRUTHES. An open mind will look at the facts of evolution and if the facts pan out accept evolution is true. If it is true, then it is true. Truth is Truth. God created ALL things including truth.
An open mind considers the merits of someone elses viewpoint and weighs if they are true or not. If you LOVE the truth then you will objectively examine such things. Open Mindedness means objectivity. Close mindedness means subjectivity.
I would dare to say as an example that many Muslims are Muslims because they are NOT open minded and are subjective in how they view their own religion and ours.
I would also say as an example that if the early Trinitarians were NOT willing to be open minded, or objective, but were subjective, they NEVER would have become oneness because they would never have been willing to examine the Trinity.
Close Mindedness is akin to handing your brain over to someone else and not thinking for yourself
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Dude, chill.
It's just a discussion. Fold the knife please. 
I am not distorting anything. My original point was that we value open-mindedness way too highly. Some things shouldn't be entertained.
"I AM AMAZED that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by grace for a different gospel, not that there is another...But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!" (Gal.1:6,8).
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10-21-2007, 12:20 AM
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No. The question is pretty clear ....
And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
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"Declare yourself."
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10-21-2007, 12:20 AM
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You guys...what if someone comes to you and says "hey, someone claiming to he you cousin is in town....
So being in prison and NOT being able to go there and see if this person is indeed his cousin, he asks a brother or a friend to go and see...
Come on...John was in PRISON and only HEARD that there was someone doing works. He did not doubt Christ was the messiah...he had no idea who this person was because John was not there to see. John was in prison...lol
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-21-2007, 12:21 AM
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I've got the victory !!!! G-nite, gentlemen. Doubt is not a sin. It's natural ... and in God's hands all things become possible.
Makes me want to shockamoo!!!
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10-21-2007, 12:22 AM
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PP,
I understand the point you are trying to make but I think it is fundamentally wrong to characterize having an "open mind" as you do.
An open mind simply means one is willing to entertain ideas and concepts they currently do not hold. To evaluate them. based on facts presented rather than rejecting them out of hand. That is a virtue.
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10-21-2007, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Dude, chill.
It's just a discussion. Fold the knife please.
I am not distorting anything. My original point was that we value open-mindedness way too highly. Some things shouldn't be entertained.
"I AM AMAZED that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by grace for a different gospel, not that there is another...But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!" (Gal.1:6,8). |
Im chilled lol. I don't know what your problem is, but I'm just responding to what you posted. Trust me, unless I call you an idiot and start posting in all capital letters I am quite calm and collected. How else could I make you arguments look so silly 
And btw MY orginal point is you are mis-using the term open mindedness. Open mindedness is good. CLose mindedness is bad.
Accepting everything and anything as true without proof is not open mindedness and is bad. Trying everything just to experience it is not open mindedness either. It's experimentation
BTW I never said we should forsake the truth...that is NOT open mindedness, so quoting that verse shows me you still don't get what I am putting down :-)
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-21-2007, 12:23 AM
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Revelation 2
14Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality. 15Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16Repent therefore!
Open minded?
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10-21-2007, 12:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I can't find the file I had on JTB but the general point was that he was asking Jesus to declare Himself to his disciples. JTB was, in effect, asking "Is my work done here?'
It was not that he doubted the "Lamb of God", it was that he wanted to know the plan. That is why Jesus responded the way He did.
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I've never understood it that way nor heard it preached along that line BUT I'm going to be open minded and think about it. 
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