The AntiChrist and Rapture Fraud?

[Felicity]

I read one LaHaye book and have never read another.

Not interested.

[deacon blues]

The misinterpreted Thessalonians scriptures cannot fit other passages.

How does Daniel 7fit into such an interpretation? The Ancient of Days sits on the throne. Judgment is set. The books are opened. The beast is destroyed in the flames. Jesus is seen being given the Kingdom. The saints are given the Kingdom. The beast is seen making war with the saints. He prevails against them until Christ returns. He shall speak words against the Most High. His dominion will be taken away. The Kingdom will be established forever. the saints shall possess the Kingdom. The kingdoms of the world and the nations of the earth will serve and obey the Most High. It says "this is the end of the matter."

You can't spiritualize that! It talks about a HE will make war with the saints. Not carnal man. Not the spirit of the world. A person who will have dominion in the world. Has the Lord taken the throne of the Kingdom? Are nations of the earth serving and obeying Him?

You are making the classic mistake of taking one passage of scripture and postulating an interpretation that sort of seems plausible. But the interpretation does not hold water in the light of other scriptures.

There are plenty of other passages the support the notion that this is more than just a system or an attitude or an overall spirit. There will be an individual who will embody all that is anti-christ. It is safe AND biblical to call him THE Anti-Christ.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I read one LaHaye book and have never read another.

Not interested.

I read several of the left behind novels. the intest being in the story, not in any actual biblical backing.

I didnt read them all.

[Scott Hutchinson]

That Antichrist spirit is alive in the world today.
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:and this is that Spirit of antichrist,whereof ye have heard that it should come;and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

The misinterpreted Thessalonians scriptures cannot fit other passages.

How does Daniel 7fit into such an interpretation? The Ancient of Days sits on the throne. Judgment is set. The books are opened. The beast is destroyed in the flames. Jesus is seen being given the Kingdom. The saints are given the Kingdom. The beast is seen making war with the saints. He prevails against them until Christ returns. He shall speak words against the Most High. His dominion will be taken away. The Kingdom will be established forever. the saints shall possess the Kingdom. The kingdoms of the world and the nations of the earth will serve and obey the Most High. It says "this is the end of the matter."

You can't spiritualize that! It talks about a HE will make war with the saints. Not carnal man. Not the spirit of the world. A person who will have dominion in the world. Has the Lord taken the throne of the Kingdom? Are nations of the earth serving and obeying Him?

You are making the classic mistake of taking one passage of scripture and postulating an interpretation that sort of seems plausible. But the interpretation does not hold water in the light of other scriptures.

There are plenty of other passages the support the notion that this is more than just a system or an attitude or an overall spirit. There will be an individual who will embody all that is anti-christ. It is safe AND biblical to call him THE Anti-Christ.

Nothing in 1 John or 2 John indicates we can call a single man THE ANTICHRIST. I cannot agree with you here. Again... .what is there about simply denying Jesus came in flesh that has to do with a single military world leader that is not already in anyone who rejects Christianity????

[Scott Hutchinson]

Also here is a question when Paul wrote these scriptures to the church In Thessalonica what did they mean to them ?

[mfblume]

1Co 6:13 KJV Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

1Co 6:19 KJV What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

SIMILAR TO...

2Th 2:4 KJV Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:8 KJV And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

So you are saying the son of perdition is not anti Christ when he exalts himself against and above Christ? He's not trying to have world domination?

ANYONE who denies Jesus is antichrist, whether they seek world domination or not. ANTICHRIST is simply denying Jesus came in flesh. It would be as odd to say such a leader is THE ANTICHRIST as it would be to say "THE SINNER is going to take over the world." ANYONE is a sinner who is not saved, as much as ANYONE is antichrist who denies Christ. What is the difference?

[Scott Hutchinson]

How could scriptures that talk about a Holy place apply to us today if there is no present Temple in Jerusalem ?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Nothing in 1 John or 2 John indicates we can call a single man THE ANTICHRIST. I cannot agree with you here. Again... .what is there about simply denying Jesus came in flesh that has to do with a single military world leader that is not already in anyone who rejects Christianity????

Nothing in I John???

You must not be reading carefully or haven't given much time to study on this subject. Check out I John 2:18:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

John makes the distinction between a plurality of antichrists and a singular antichrist. Antichrist is a spirit that will manifest itself in two ways: a system by which the world will oppose Jesus and an individual leader that will lead that system.

You don't have the scriptural suppoert to back up this claim. The doctrine of the Antichrist is replete throughout Daniel who talks about the prince that should come, the beast, the little horn. Paul talks about him as the son of perdition the man of sin. John talks about him in Revelation as the beast.

An individual leader who has dominion and world influence at the time of the end is found over and over again in scripture. John's epistles address both the individual called Antichrist and the spirit that exisits alread in the world.

Where is the scriptural proof for your claim?