Romney Supporters

[bbyrd009]

[Walks_in_islam]

As to the public healthcare system - we are being and have been lied to by the right. The other day I had to get my wife an inhaler. We had to go to a dr and pay a copay and god knows what the insurance paid. We got a prescription, then had to go to the pharmacy and pay another copay. The inhaler total cost was 200.

Before we left saudi I bought 4 of them at the pharmacy. Just walked in and bought them. I paid 18 saudi riyals apiece. No claim forms. No copays. No dr visits.

The entire world has access to medications that the FDA and the insurance business and the AMA keep between the pharmacy and the user, and every step of the way is a markup and that markup is the only reason why we cannot get our healthcare system fixed. We never paid a cent for any medical treatments at all when we were overseas. We had a baby there. Every visit we got an ultrasound, because the thing was in the room and the ultrasound machine itself is not viewed as a profit center for the facility. Here, we get (2) and have to pay for the ultrasound, 1 claim, pay the radiologist, another claim, and pay the dr, another claim. There the ultrasound went to the radiologist and the report went back to the dr and that was it. No cost, no fee.

You on the right might think you know what public healthcare is, but I know what it is like to have access to medications by walking into the store and asking for them without all the wasted claims and copays. Access is better than some insurance company deciding for you what you can or cannot have based on their preferred lists. We are getting ripped off here by both sides.

It is no small wonder our lifespans match those of the third world (I think Chile) and every single country who has a public healthcare system also has citizens who live longer.

[AreYouReady?]

WInIslam, do you think we are going to have the same type of public healthcare system as the rest of the world who has it?

Somehow I don't think so.

[AreYouReady?]

If I'm not mistaken, I think Mexico has narcotics that can be sold OTC as well as other drugs.

We cannot even buy pseudofed OTC anymore because we have numbskulls and morons here in America that use it to make illegal drugs.

[Walks_in_islam]

You are not mistaken. I did not see painkillers/narcotics OTC in other countries but did not look for them either. We routinely bought medications like antibiotics, inhalers, allergy meds, I recall buying Nexium, and other things that require an office visit + prescription + insurance claim over here. The Dr's we saw over the 3 years that we were there were on salary and what we saw is that they did not rush us through because they were incentivized to do a good job / keep us happy (we graded them and I saw one Dr sent packing) so they spent a little more time.

Do you realize by what percentage the costs would go down if we had access to common medications in the US? Granting the same access that canadians or Mexicans or Asians get would eliminate a high percentage of the visits anyway (but these tend to be the most profitable visits) leaving the healthcare system free to focus on major health issues and leaving our pocketbooks much heavier.

We could buy sudafed and clarinase and similar medications and you know why? Because if you buy it and then make and market illegal drugs from it and you get caught you get executed. That is the problem here as I find people to be generally the same everywhere and the worst of them will do whatever they think they can get away with little consequences with.

I do not think that as long as healthcare = profit that we can have a working public healthcare system. As long as insurance = profit (how in the world do we allow the insurance companies to pay out premiums to stockholders?) then we pay for the cost of healthcare + the cost of the skimmers and leeches who attach to the pool of money and suck off of it. Those skimmers and leeches are no, none, zero different from the skimmers and leeches who pay nothing and expect their healthcare to be free. Romney represents one set, and Obama represents the other.

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

If I'm not mistaken, I think Mexico has narcotics that can be sold OTC as well as other drugs.

We cannot even buy pseudofed OTC anymore because we have numbskulls and morons here in America that use it to make illegal drugs.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You on the right might think you know what public healthcare is, but I know what it is like to have access to medications by walking into the store and asking for them without all the wasted claims and copays. Access is better than some insurance company deciding for you what you can or cannot have based on their preferred lists. We are getting ripped off here by both sides.

It is no small wonder our lifespans match those of the third world (I think Chile) and every single country who has a public healthcare system also has citizens who live longer.

Does anybody think we are getting a public healthcare system with the Affordable Healthcare Act? We are required to buy healthcare insurance...which means everything will continue to remain the same. Somebody else is still going to decide what kind of healthcare we get.

[Walks_in_islam]

Being required to buy insurance is just another tax.

My brother is a surgeon. 30 cents on his dollar goes back to his insurance. So our insurance pays him then collects a high percentage of it back from him for his insurance and puts it right back into their pocket?

Get real. Our healthcare system has become a racket.

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Does anybody think we are getting a public healthcare system with the Affordable Healthcare Act? We are required to buy healthcare insurance...which means everything will continue to remain the same. Somebody else is still going to decide what kind of healthcare we get.

[AreYouReady?]

...which is why this place is called corporate america?

[Walks_in_islam]

Skimming pockets, trading and passing what others have built, and making short term "killings" has nothing to do with businesses who build facilities and make things and provide services and add value to the American economy

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Skimming pockets, trading and passing what others have built, and making short term "killings" has nothing to do with businesses who build facilities and make things and provide services and add value to the American economy

There is a difference between America and corporate america.

Just like there is a difference between common law and maritime/admiral law.