SHOCKING!!! 3 Pastors write scathing Letter against Calif. District !! ! !

[Thad]

Originally Posted by retsambeW

Boomer has never treated me to a "stick", but has been very kind to the ol' ybbeW.

Has he been sweepin' floors? I haven't been here that much to tell.

Good to hear you are well.

NO he sweeps " Threads"

[Thad]

I'd like to hear from the California Folks on this letter please


Stix

darkwing

Socali

Prax

changed heart

Keith

GI



who else ?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Thad

I'd like to hear from the California Folks on this letter please


Stix

darkwing

Socali

Prax

changed heart

Keith

GI



who else ?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

oops sorry! didn't mean to overlook you there

you AND sis boom when she gets better



so what's your opinion boom?

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by SecretWarrior

This paper is our humble attempt to provide visionary thinking to the ever-worsening predicament that the next superintendent (or two) will face over the next first months after his election. We write not as experts, rather we mount these proposals as contemplative leaders and pastors within the Western District, who are desirous of harmony and growth within this fragmented and burdened fellowship of ministers.

District Board & Key Influencers
As there is currently no voice for the Joe Pastors of our District, it is very critical that the grassroots of ministry in the Western District be heard. The new superintendent should spend his first one hundred days in office meeting with the key influencers in each camp from all across the state. It is vitally important that this be done after he has cast his vision and made clear his intentions to the District Board. It would be a mistake to begin meeting with groups of ministers throughout the District without providing the Board with the purpose behind his meeting with the ministers in their respective sections. This serves both to bring all sides to the table, but also to give the old guard a modicum of acknowledgement of their position (although a change in this group might also prove to be most helpful in alleviating the District’s problems). The newly-elected superintendent should then enlist the help of each presbyter in identifying three to five key influencers in their respective sections, and to coordinate a meeting over dinner in which to cast vision and establish a new level a communication throughout the state. In our opinion the dinner portion of this equation holds tremendous power as something unique happens when we break bread together.

Younger Ministers
There seems to be an ever-widening gulf between the current administration and the younger pastors and ministers in the District. This disconnect is robbing the fellowship of energy, excitement and the fresh insight that often comes with youth. In addition to this, there is little or no platform for individuals whose philosophy differs from the status quo. The next superintendent should make every attempt possible to bridge this gap. Both issues could be addressed by creating forums where younger ministers feel safe to express their visions, questions and frustrations without fear of being viewed as rebellious trouble-makers. It seems as though that while the older men of our district are given ample place for their dreams, the visions of the younger men are pooh-poohed as the blathering spatters of inexperienced neophytes. Taking the time to provide a platform for younger ministers will also create a dynamic connection that will allow the superintendent to have a direct influence in their lives and ministries. This platform would also serve to bolster the trust in leadership that the younger generation has seemingly lost over that past few years. Tomorrow’s men cannot survive without yesterday’s men, but yesterday’s men must first come to grips with the fact that their day has come and gone, and the time has come to move gently into that long, good-night.

DA, I completely agree with you - this is pure, partisan, political hackery. The men who wrote this (whoever they may be) should be reprimended.

Some thoughts . . .

1) These men obviously think themselves important. They created a litany of "suggestions" for the new superintendent.

2) If I were the new superintendent, the first men I'd be seeing would be these men. They're out of line with this letter. No one needs to be telling or suggesting what an official should be doing in the first 100 days. And why the first 100 days, if not a political statement taken from Congress' first 100 days? *grin* Here I say they shouldn't be telling him what to do, but in a round about way I'm doing the same. :sshhh If it were me, these men should be put in check asap. They're out of control political hacks that, if left unchecked, will cause more division and problems than anything.

3) Lastly, leave it up to JM to be suggesting dinner and bread breaking. These men rail on most everything else . . . with the exception of finances and food. Will MM be at the dinner also to take an offering?

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Thad

I'd like to hear from the California Folks on this letter please


Stix

darkwing

Socali

Prax

changed heart

Keith

GI



who else ?

Just had fellowship with a good friend and minister in the UPCI that was at the District Confernce. Needless to say he told me that the DS did not go over well and that made little or no impression on the ministers.

He believe that his term will be short in office, primarily to oversee the split and demise of the Western District.

My impression of the letter, while being a focus of polictical banter, I personally hate this stuff, stands in the way of the Lord moving in power and reminds me more and more of the irrelevance of organizational structure in the Last days.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Just had fellowship with a good friend and minister in the UPCI that was at the District Confernce. Needless to say he told me that the DS did not go over well and that made little or no impression on the ministers.

He believe that his term will be short in office, primarily to oversee the split and demise of the Western District.

My impression of the letter, while being a focus of polictical banter, I personally hate this stuff, stands in the way of the Lord moving in power and reminds me more and more of the irrelevance of organizational structure in the Last days.

Keith.. That being said.. I too was told this.. But I talked with a Family Member of said Elected Official and was told the man was so nervous he was a little overcome by it as he was not expecting to be elected.... as was told me.. So I am going to cut the dude some slack..

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I think this was written before DC... Seems a little political to me too...

Wonder who their talking about for fresh vision and dynamic Leadership???

I just got to this now.....my oh my.

I am with you...this definately was written before the DC. I don't think anyone has to wonder WHO they were talking about because it "rings" of a particular person...and written very ______-esque.

Anyone know who wrote this letter?

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

I just got to this now.....my oh my.

I am with you...this definately was written before the DC. I don't think anyone has to wonder WHO they were talking about because it "rings" of a particular person...and written very ______-esque.

Anyone know who wrote this letter?

Keep Readin'...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by keith4him

reminds me more and more of the irrelevance of organizational structure in the Last days.

Can't agree more....

The corporate-style behemoth organization structure is on it's last leg .....

I really feel sorry for these guys ... the spent a lot of emotional, time, and intellectual capital to write this letter ... FOR NOTHINGNESS.

Why would having a more dynamic 'unified' district affect the results these men get in their local churches ... it's a bunch of fluff ...

If these guys would spend just as much time and effort in devising plans for planting churches ... rather than trying to corral the one's that already exist ... the results would be mind-blowing.

In all, I think it reveals much deeper problems in the denominational system .....