Baptism from God's Perspective

[Falla39]

If we preach/teach part/gospel when we know whole/gospel, is that not
deception. Our statements of faith must be whole gospel. The whole gospel
to the whole world.
Through the years some have preached part-gospel and now their children
are confused and and have risen up against those who preach/teach the
whole gospel.

The A of G pastor in our city was circulating tracts against the Apostles
Doctrine. My late father talked to him and asked him if they could sit down
in brotherly love and with their Bibles discuss the Word of God. He told my
Dad, "We're friends now, but if we did that, we would no longer be friends".
Yet when he was due to have open heart surgery, he asked my dad to pray
for him. He refused to listen to more, but when he was on his deathbed, Dad
and I went to his home and prayed for him. Although he never was willing to
listen to more truth, Dad was a friend until death, always willing to tell him
the whole truth. Part-truth is dangerous because it deceives.

I graduated from high school with his only child, a son, who married my best
friend in school from 6th grade to graduation. She has been very ill the last
few years. I have prayed and others have prayed and her husband told our son
this week, that she was better. My son said, My mom has prayed and had us
pray for her many times. He said, I know!

They left his father's church many years ago and now belong to the 140 yr
old, very large Baptist church in our city.We have many neighbors and friends
there who I know, know there is more. But woe is me IF I ever tell them they
can be saved with less than the whole gospel!

Two of them came several months ago, to our church, because of despera-
tion because one had diagnosed with breast cancer. One had been our neigh-
bor, and had come to our church for a time, several yrs ago with her two small
sons and husband, until pressure from family and friends caused them to dis-
continue.

But those two close friends for many years, came on a Wed. night with two
other friends. These four were all classmates and graduates with my young-
est sister who survived lymphoma and a bone marrow transplant, a few yrs ago
and has and is doing wonderful. TO GOD BE ALL the Praise and GLORY.

That Wed. night, the four, plus my sister who came also to be with them, went to
the front for prayer for their friend. She had come with such fear. She didn't leave
the same way she came, in Jesus Name!!! She received the HOLY GHOST, speaking
with tongues. Her closest friend and she, continued to come and now both are filled
with the Spirit of the living God. Both baptized in Jesus Name.

Last night at church, the one with breast cancer, gave her PET/CT results for the
second time since that first Wed. Night, NEGATIVE Completely negative. NO cancer
in her body. She came with childlike, obedient faith and her need was taken care of.
She had her PET/CT scan on Mon. The church had prayed for her on
Sunday. Her husband who visited our church many years ago with two of my
brother, has been coming with her for several months and is visibly under the
convicting power of God. Obedient faith will get the job done!

No offense intended ever!

Falla39

[KWSS1976]

See thats the thing whos to say you know the whole truth Sis Falla other people are wise also the AofG pastor might have been right and your Father wrong I know it is hard to think about but I like some have a hard time believing that the Pentecostals and the Apostolics are the only ones "who know it all"

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

See thats the thing whos to say you know the whole truth Sis Falla other people are wise also the AofG pastor might have been right and your Father wrong I know it is hard to think about but I like some have a hard time believing that the Pentecostals and the Apostolics are the only ones "who know it all"

For your information, we don't claim to know it all. But we do know MORE
than is being preached by some. In 1926, God healed my Methodist grand-
mother and raised her from her deathbed. MORE truth came to her a few
years later and she with her young son, my late father, obeyed the MORE
and with the obedient faith, came abundant blessings to our family. HE
came to give us life and MORE abundantly.

No, dear poster, we don't claim to know everything, BUT if we walk in
what TRUTH HE leads and guides us in, HE will continue to bless us and
give us more!!!

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Not to offend!

Falla39

[KWSS1976]

Thats great God healed (Lance Armstrong) the bicyclist too see where I am coming from......

[Falla39]

A short time after we came to our city in 1950, a A of G lady told three of we three
siblings, (we were like 9,11, and 13) that we were "new lights", and that their church
was praying and fasting that we would leave. We are still here after 50 yrs. Most of
the A of G from back then are gone. Dead! Of course we, as children didn't understand
what she was saying, so we just told our Daddy. He told his DADDY and the rest is
history. For the most part, that is!

Falla39

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Thats great God healed (Lance Armstrong) the bicyclist too see where I am coming from......

That IS great! He can have mercy on whom HE WILL have mercy.
HE IS GOD, and we are NOT!!

Blessings,

Falla39

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

See thats the thing whos to say you know the whole truth Sis Falla other people are wise also the AofG pastor might have been right and your Father wrong I know it is hard to think about but I like some have a hard time believing that the Pentecostals and the Apostolics are the only ones "who know it all"

and that's your problem! Quite worrying about whether someone has the market on truth or who has it all and should you believe X that means Y is going to hell. As you have been defining your doctrines based on that whether you admit it or not. That is the only reason people lesson what they think is really right as to accomodate those who are good people and not be the mean guy. That is the reason why Jesus name baptism is compromised or anything else. Sure we hope and pray good people are not left to detruction. We all pray that God has mercy but in the end we are not to be deceived and to rely on him for truth as he will direct our paths. He will be just and truth is truth.

[KWSS1976]

Luke are we in the last days?

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Falla39

If we know more, it is our responsibility to tell them the more we know.
To whom much is given, shall much be required. Paul stated these words in ! Cor. 9:16,

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Not to offend, but to speak the truth in love. The love of God shed abroad in our
hearts by the Holy Ghost.

Falla39

Your error is that you have an assumption that you know more based on your revelation, but their assumption is that they know more based on their revelation.

Both can dissect the Word of God to validate their position. The most interesting aspect (to me) is how everyone on this thread makes the assumption that they hold the complete truth and although not intended their truth really usurps God and His power.

On the flip side, I do think we should hold to the truth that we have revelation of, but when it condemns another who is sincerely seeking God then we error. God is righteous and He leads His people whether you and I define them as His people or not

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Your error is that you have an assumption that you know more based on your revelation, but their assumption is that they know more based on their revelation.

Both can dissect the Word of God to validate their position. The most interesting aspect (to me) is how everyone on this thread makes the assumption that they hold the complete truth and although not intended their truth really usurps God and His power.

On the flip side, I do think we should hold to the truth that we have revelation of, but when it condemns another who is sincerely seeking God then we error. God is righteous and He leads His people whether you and I define them as His people or not

Amen!