Here are the facts: Political Control
In the last 64 years:
The Dems have held complete power (President, House, & Senate) 11 times, the Rep 2.
The Dem have controled Congress (House and Senate) a total of 22 Times the Reps 6.
Hmmm? I wonder who has caused the most damage?
By the way, when did the housing problems start? Wasn't that under Clinton?
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People do not like Rush, Hannity, Fox News, etc. because they speak the truth. No if, ands, or butts about it. Some can't handle the truth. I will admit they can be very cocky, but all I care about are the facts. Did you all hear what Obama said about Biden? That tells me that Obama and Biden put on the biggest show ever to get elected!!! They probably can't stand each other. What I can't handle is all of Obama's UH'S!!! It's been only a month and there's still 3 years and 11 months of Obama's Psychobabble. Lord have mercy!!!
When I worked for CIS we got a big laugh out of Rush, Hannity, and the Fox News lineup. For example, there was a piece of legislation that was supposedly crafted to provide funding for the troops, yet there were earmarks providing funding for various corporate pet projects (not all of them were even in Iraq) attached to the bill. The Democrats fought to have the earmarks removed and an actual war funding bill passed; the Republicans wouldn’t budge and eventually forced it through. Why, because Rush and Hannity were blabbing their mouths saying that the Democrats are against funding the troops, that he Democrats don’t care if they have the equipment they need, yadda, yadda, yadda. It’s all propaganda. But in all honesty, the Democrats do it too. My point is simply that anyone who puts much weight on Rush, Hannity, and the Fox News lineup (the majority of which is actually “commentary” not “news”) obviously isn’t doing their homework.
I think Obama chose Biden because he was the strongest on national defense and foreign affairs. Had Obama picked a “buddy” like Bush would have, that would have been cronyism. (Although, hold on, I don’t doubt that Obama will resort to cronyism too here and there. That’s politics.)
Can you tell me what “psychobabble” is and where Obama used it?
When I worked for CIS we got a big laugh out of Rush, Hannity, and the Fox News lineup. For example, there was a piece of legislation that was supposedly crafted to provide funding for the troops, yet there were earmarks providing funding for various corporate pet projects (not all of them were even in Iraq) attached to the bill. The Democrats fought to have the earmarks removed and an actual war funding bill passed; the Republicans wouldn’t budge and eventually forced it through. Why, because Rush and Hannity were blabbing their mouths saying that the Democrats are against funding the troops, that he Democrats don’t care if they have the equipment they need, yadda, yadda, yadda. It’s all propaganda. But in all honesty, the Democrats do it too. My point is simply that anyone who puts much weight on Rush, Hannity, and the Fox News lineup (the majority of which is actually “commentary” not “news”) obviously isn’t doing their homework.
I think Obama chose Biden because he was the strongest on national defense and foreign affairs. Had Obama picked a “buddy” like Bush would have, that would have been cronyism. (Although, hold on, I don’t doubt that Obama will resort to cronyism too here and there. That’s politics.)
Can you tell me what “psychobabble” is and where Obama used it?
I believe I remember that McCain voted against that bill because of that very thing - the attached ear marks.
The media jumped on it and had many veterans calling him unpatriotic. No one explained WHY he voted against it.
Ferd buidling roads, bridges and other infrastructure doesn't stimulate business?
I know a lot of excavators, concrete companies, asphalt layers, rock quaries, bridge steel manufacturors, and construction companies that would disagree with you.
short term Mike. Only short term.
What happens is, those companies get these contracts, they ramp up jobs and buy equipment on credit, then the jobs run out. gubbermint runs out of money or roads or what ever to keep people artificially employed.
then what?
your buddy who was loving life goes bankrupt and that dude that spent 4 years holding a stop sign on the highway now is an unskilled laborer in need of a job in a market that values skills.
Government herion is what it is.
come on Mike, you have to be smarter than that.
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What happens is, those companies get these contracts, they ramp up jobs and buy equipment on credit, then the jobs run out. gubbermint runs out of money or roads or what ever to keep people artificially employed.
then what?
your buddy who was loving life goes bankrupt and that dude that spent 4 years holding a stop sign on the highway now is an unskilled laborer in need of a job in a market that values skills.
Government herion is what it is.
Ummmm... businesses build roads. Give them government contracts and they will hire employees to do the work, they will then pay the employees, the employees are then "employed" and get a paycheck. The paycheck then goes into their bank account. They then go shopping for food and necessities. When they buy things it stimulates retail and other industries depending on what they buy. These government contracts will stimulate business.
The government doesn't have magic elves that come out of the sewer that build bridges, roads, computer networks, telecommunications networks, etc., etc., etc., for us. It takes businesses to do that.
That's what FDR thought in 1932..... It didnt work because its false stimulation.
Look Aquila, I am NOT against government building and maintaininng infrastructure. In fact it is one of the few ligitamate duties of government.
But when government starts talking about doing so for the purpose of stimulation, it becomes a problem. stimulation of the economy in this area means ramping up beyond a sustainable level which results in coming to a point where there are more contractors than there are projects.
This is exactly like taking herion! It makes you feel good for a little while, but then it all comes crashing down. When government stimulates, it is false. The government either has to continue to be the engine of the economy and thus has to continue to grow and grow and grow, or it has to stop which will crash the economy.
Japan tried this and failed. America tried this in the 1930's and early 40's and failed. It fails. It always fails because it is flawed. it doesnt work.
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One more thing. Every dollar that the government spends to "stimulate" comes from the real economy. That dollar was either in the real economy or it was borrowed against future real economy dollars.
in the first place, when a dollar is taken out of the economy by the government it goes thru a process. Someone has to be paid to take it out of the economy, (that dollar just shrunk), someone has to be paid to take care of that dollar while it is in the hands of the government (it shrunk again), someone has to be paid to over see the people taking the dollar and taking care of the dollar, to make sure they dont try to steal the dollar (it shrunk again), someone has to decide where to send the dollar to stimulate the economy (the dollar shrunk again), someone has to set up the process of bidding that will determine what business will get the dollar (it shrunk again), someone has to oversee that process to make sure it is honest (it shrunk again), someone has to decide who the bid winners are (it shrunk again), someone has to oversee the decision to make sure it is fair (it shrunk again), someone has to follow-up on the businesses to make sure they can actually do the work they say they can (it shrunk again), someone has to transfer the dollar (it shrunk again), someone has to oversee the projects to make sure the work is getting done (it shrunk again), someone has to validate completion of the job(it shrunk again).
By the time that dollar works its way thru the halls of government, it goes from being a dollar bill to being a couple of quarters, a dime and a few pennies.
OH, and IF that dollar that is stimulating the economy is borrowed, then add interest paid to all of the above and now youve got a few dimes and a few pennies left over to actually stimulate with.
by the time a dollar goes thru the process it aint a dollar. But if you leave that dollar alone and let it stay in the real economy from day 1, that dollar has its full stimulating effect!
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I believe I remember that McCain voted against that bill because of that very thing - the attached ear marks.
The media jumped on it and had many veterans calling him unpatriotic. No one explained WHY he voted against it.
That's how they treat their own. If a one of their own (both parties in most cases) gets in the way of their politicization of an issue he's expendable.
What happens is, those companies get these contracts, they ramp up jobs and buy equipment on credit, then the jobs run out. gubbermint runs out of money or roads or what ever to keep people artificially employed.
then what?
your buddy who was loving life goes bankrupt and that dude that spent 4 years holding a stop sign on the highway now is an unskilled laborer in need of a job in a market that values skills.
Government herion is what it is.
come on Mike, you have to be smarter than that.
A "short term" fix might prevent thousands of businesses from going belly up completely within the next six months to two years. All that's needed is something to keep these guys working until the economy begins to pick up, then they catch the wave. Now... if the economy doesn't pick up.... we're in deeper ka ka.
Now, the question is if we dont do this....what do we do? Do we just let those about to sink within the next couple months sink? That will only make things worse. This is like CPR. It can't go on forever, but it's done until we get the economy's heart beating again.
That's what FDR thought in 1932..... It didnt work because its false stimulation.
Look Aquila, I am NOT against government building and maintaininng infrastructure. In fact it is one of the few ligitamate duties of government.
I agree.
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But when government starts talking about doing so for the purpose of stimulation, it becomes a problem. stimulation of the economy in this area means ramping up beyond a sustainable level which results in coming to a point where there are more contractors than there are projects.
Actually, much of this "stimulus" is needed. Think of the bridges around the country as just one example. Everything from bridges to computer networks. You'd be amazed at your local city office. I'm willing to wager that their computer network is so antiquated it's unbelievable, that's been my experience because I work for the government. Then factor in things like CDBG funding etc. and you'll realize that Bush starved the government to bare bones to faciliate his corporate tax giveaways. Then they invested it in China.
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This is exactly like taking herion! It makes you feel good for a little while, but then it all comes crashing down. When government stimulates, it is false. The government either has to continue to be the engine of the economy and thus has to continue to grow and grow and grow, or it has to stop which will crash the economy.
Exaggeration. It's just a boost to keep the backbone of our economy, mom and pop companies going another six months to two years in the hopes that the economy picks up on it's own. It's not meant to be a long term fix. But the problem is... this is so bad and the problem runs so deep it's terribly expensive.
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Japan tried this and failed. America tried this in the 1930's and early 40's and failed. It fails. It always fails because it is flawed. it doesnt work.
Bro... a lot of major corporations fueling America today got their lives saved under FDR and even more benefited from buying various aspects of those companies. The New Deal created jobs for people struggling with the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl. The Civilian Conservation Corps employed thousands of people to build roads, campgrounds, and other public facilities. Many of these are still used today.
It was a government project, but it paid people to work and not sit around. It also pulled this nation out of the Depression by making sure people had money in their pockets. We were well on the road to recovery before WWII.
By the way, just for the record, Yellowstone National Park was made the nation's first national park when Teddy Roosevelt was president. Also think of the massive dams providing electricity for communities that were built during the New Deal. These projects wouldn't stand a chance today, they'd be too massive.
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