Is Obesity a Sin?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think your thinking is fairly extreme. Although I believe that the pharmaceutical companies do have their own best interests at heart, banning pills for Christians is the other side of the extreme.

If you have a few minutes, watch this. This is only the tip of the iceberg. I have been studying this issue for about 10 years. Stay posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Sd73DQ2J0

God Bless, NFS

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn

When people get the holy ghost they are expected to quit at once - I have even heard it said - well they must not have gotten the holy ghost if they did not get delivered - I agree it is hard to change but the point is "apostolics" look at smoking one way and anything else that is harmful to your body and is addictive another way - kind of hypocritical in my opinion.

I was simply told that if I loved Jesus I wouldn't want to smoke. Meaning of course, that if I still had any desire to smoke, then I couldn't possibly love Jesus very much.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

If you have a few minutes, watch this. This is only the tip of the iceberg. I have been studying this issue for about 10 years. Stay posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Sd73DQ2J0

God Bless, NFS

I've read the books too. But just because these things are sometimes true doesn't mean that pills are never any good for anyone anywhere.

[Eniratak]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Thanks for asking to verify the facts on this National health crisis. There are plenty of medical journals, web sites, books, and other factual sources to answer your "good" question. Here is a web site that can get you started;

http://www.obesityinamerica.org/relateddiseases.html

There are many people who gain weight because they have genetic deficiancies. But, the facts are, most people gain weight because they are undisciplined in the area of self-control regarding intake of food and excersize. My intent to bring this out is not to discourage people, but to help them. Developing discipline and a life change in this area can bring great joy to those who conquoer current, or future health problems from being obese, while discovering the blessing of being active.

The testimonies of folks who have dug themselves out of this dilema are wonderful. People will tell you, they have found life anew. They've discovered the joy of climbing a mountain, riding a bike, or walking on a summer evening with their spouse. They also realize, good food is healthy food and that the digestive system appreciates the moderated and balanced portion. Another by-product of this is many people have eliminated the need for pharmacuticals (pills) to stay alive; this is truly liberating, as pills are a crutch and have many dangeroues side affects.

Christians should be concerned about this. This brings balance, health, and our ability to moderate into to clear view. If we disregard this issue as being uneccesary, we hurt our bodies (temples), and, our quality of life will diminish. Also, whether we like it or not, people outside the church will see this as a hypocritical problem, as we condemn other health related issues as being sin.

God Bless, NFS

Wow.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, I do believe.
From what I've looked up, and been told by someone with diabetes, it is not CAUSED by obesity. The reason so many people are obese while having diabetes is because the medicine given to treat the diabetes is what makes them gain weight.
"Diabetes mellitus type 2 or type 2 diabetes (formerly called non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM), or adult-onset diabetes) is a metabolic disorder that is characterized by high blood glucose in the context of insulin resistance and relative insulin deficiency."
"About 55 percent of type 2 are obese[9] —chronic obesity leads to increased insulin resistance that can develop into diabetes, most likely because adipose tissue (especially that in the abdomen around internal organs) is a (recently identified) source of several chemical signals to other tissues (hormones and cytokines). "
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5345a2.htm
No where in that, I don't believe, does it say that being obese causes diabetes. You don't say you are diabetes and that you have obesity. You have diabetes and are obese.
Obesity can be genetic, an effect of medication, an effect OF a disease, it can be a symptom, and yes, it can be the result of laziness, poor choices, or self control. Binge eating is a medical disorder, just as anorexia nervosa is a medical disorder.
There are negative effects that come from being too fat, too thin, or even if you're at your 'perfect' weight.
However, there are people who are healthy on both ends of the spectrum. You CAN have a healthy diet, be active, and STILL be obese.
Just a question, perhaps a judgemental one, but when you look at someone who might be overweight or obese, do you think they are lazy? That they eat too much?
If you are going to address the issue of obesity, you should also address the issue of being too thin.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Michlow

I was simply told that if I loved Jesus I wouldn't want to smoke. Meaning of course, that if I still had any desire to smoke, then I couldn't possibly love Jesus very much.

Wow! That solves all my problems, then. If I love Jesus (enough) I won't ever want that second slice of cheesecake!

[mfblume]

Obesity is not a sin since some people are obese for reasons they cannot control. But gluttony is a sin.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Eniratak

Wow.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, I do believe.
From what I've looked up, and been told by someone with diabetes, it is not CAUSED by obesity. The reason so many people are obese while having diabetes is because the medicine given to treat the diabetes is what makes them gain weight.
"Diabetes mellitus type 2 or type 2 diabetes (formerly called non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM), or adult-onset diabetes) is a metabolic disorder that is characterized by high blood glucose in the context of insulin resistance and relative insulin deficiency."
"About 55 percent of type 2 are obese[9] —chronic obesity leads to increased insulin resistance that can develop into diabetes, most likely because adipose tissue (especially that in the abdomen around internal organs) is a (recently identified) source of several chemical signals to other tissues (hormones and cytokines). "
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5345a2.htm
No where in that, I don't believe, does it say that being obese causes diabetes. You don't say you are diabetes and that you have obesity. You have diabetes and are obese.
Obesity can be genetic, an effect of medication, an effect OF a disease, it can be a symptom, and yes, it can be the result of laziness, poor choices, or self control. Binge eating is a medical disorder, just as anorexia nervosa is a medical disorder.
There are negative effects that come from being too fat, too thin, or even if you're at your 'perfect' weight.
However, there are people who are healthy on both ends of the spectrum. You CAN have a healthy diet, be active, and STILL be obese.
Just a question, perhaps a judgemental one, but when you look at someone who might be overweight or obese, do you think they are lazy? That they eat too much?
If you are going to address the issue of obesity, you should also address the issue of being too thin.

Poor diet, which contributes to obesity, can lead to a diabetic condition. When the pancreas, which produces insulin, is overtaxed prematurely by high sugar foods, diabetes at a younger age can occur because of this unnatural, high calorie food intake. For instance, when we drink a soda that contains 40 grams of sugar, the body registers this as a full meal. The pancreas releases enough insulin to take care of this "meal", which is not a meal. This can wear an already vulnurable pancreas, leading to the dependance of insulin shots, pump or pills during the teen years, or younger.

It is high sugar foods (simple sugars) that contribute to obesity; unburned calories are stored. Obesity is the result of too many calories and not enough excersize. To deny this is to deny the facts.

American (Western) culture has lead the way to this crisis. Denial won't help either. We are fat, and we are unhealthy. We eat high processed foods, high in sugar, and consume animal fats that clog our arteries. We buy and use things that require little energy, which has only compounded this problem.

I encourage you to do some research on the Seventh Day Adventists'. They are the healthiest faith group in America. I have good friends in this Faith, and thier focus on good diet and excersize is living proof of example because of discipline in this area.

The link below has some great information.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes

Epidemiology
In 2000, according to the World Health Organization, at least 171 million people worldwide suffer from diabetes, or 2.8% of the population.[55] Its incidence is increasing rapidly, and it is estimated that by the year 2030, this number will almost double.[55] Diabetes mellitus occurs throughout the world, but is more common (especially type 2) in the more developed countries. The greatest increase in prevalence is, however, expected to occur in Asia and Africa, where most patients will likely be found by 2030.[55] The increase in incidence of diabetes in developing countries follows the trend of urbanization and lifestyle changes, perhaps most importantly a "Western-style" diet. This has suggested an environmental (i.e., dietary) effect, but there is little understanding of the mechanism(s) at present, though there is much speculation, some of it most compellingly presented.[55]

For at least 20 years, diabetes rates in North America have been increasing substantially. In 2008 there were about 24 million people with diabetes in the United States alone, from those 5.7 million people remain undiagnosed. Other 57 million people are estimated to have pre-diabetes.[56]

The Centers for Disease Control has termed the change an epidemic.[57] The National Diabetes Information Clearinghouse estimates that diabetes costs $132 billion in the United States alone every year. About 5%–10% of diabetes cases in North America are type 1, with the rest being type 2. The fraction of type 1 in other parts of the world differs; this is likely due to both differences in the rate of type 1 and differences in the rate of other types, most prominently type 2. Most of this difference is not currently understood. The American Diabetes Association point out the 2003 assessment of the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) that 1 in 3 Americans born after 2000 will develop diabetes in their lifetime.[58][59]

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Wow! That solves all my problems, then. If I love Jesus (enough) I won't ever want that second slice of cheesecake!

Actually that mindset was a the cornerstone of my former foundation. It makes me sad to think of how many years I spent berating myself, I truly believed that I was so deficient, so far below other people, so lacking in any goodness or decency, because I struggled with some things!

To this day, I still often dream of smoking, and occasionally I will pass a smoker on my way into the store, and I will catch just a whiff, and for a moment I want one. Of course, nowadays I resist for health reasons, not spiritual ones.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Actually that mindset was a the cornerstone of my former foundation. It makes me sad to think of how many years I spent berating myself, I truly believed that I was so deficient, so far below other people, so lacking in any goodness or decency, because I struggled with some things!

To this day, I still often dream of smoking, and occasionally I will pass a smoker on my way into the store, and I will catch just a whiff, and for a moment I want one. Of course, nowadays I resist for health reasons, not spiritual ones.

Your honesty is moving. This is what God looks for in all of us. I believe deliverence in its purest form is found here.

Lord Bless, NFS

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Your honesty is moving. This is what God looks for in all of us. I believe deliverence in its purest form is found here.

Lord Bless, NFS

If honesty and transparency moves you, you and I are going to get along great, as I have somewhat of a reputation