Remitted on the Cross or not?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Adino

The sinner only receives a good conscience toward God when he accepts that his sin has been remitted/forgiven. His conscience is made good upon his recognition of the forgiveness of the Cross. Leave the phrase in context, Bro.

And, DUDE, has anyone ever told you your avatar looks like Harold Lloyd?

who in the world is Harold Lloyd??? hope this aint disappointing

Adino you have to preach BOTH repentance AND remissions of sins.
you are preaching one but never mentioning the other.
I get the feeling that some of you folks are anti baptism.Our pastor told us sunday that some churches are now getting rid of their baptistries altogether.Is this type of teaching the very thing that leads to this?

[Adino]

Originally Posted by StMark

who in the world is Harold Lloyd??? hope this aint disappointing

Harold Lloyd is a comic genius in the company of Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton.

Adino you have to preach BOTH repentance AND remissions of sins.
you are preaching one but never mentioning the other.
I get the feeling that some of you folks are anti baptism.Our pastor told us sunday that some churches are now getting rid of their baptistries altogether.Is this type of teaching the very thing that leads to this?

Yes, I agree repentance and remission of sins are both to be taught. The repenting heart returning to God through faith in Christ receives/accepts the remission of sins which took place on Calvary.

I am certainly not anti-baptism. Baptism is a wonderful thing. I simply make the point that one's conscience is made good prior to the act of baptism as Scripture teaches. One's conscience can be made good toward God only upon the recognition that his sins have been forgiven proving that man receives the remission of sins performed on Calvary prior to being baptized. The man who has a clean conscience toward God because he has recognized his sins have been remitted responds to this existing reality by being baptized. Baptism externally declares the existing reality of a man accepting that his sins have been forgiven. I do not see Scriptural support for baptismal sin remission.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Adino

Harold Lloyd is a comic genius in the company of Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton.



Yes, I agree repentance and remission of sins are both to be taught. The repenting heart returning to God through faith in Christ receives/accepts the remission of sins which took place on Calvary.

I am certainly not anti-baptism. Baptism is a wonderful thing. I simply make the point that one's conscience is made good prior to the act of baptism as Scripture teaches. One's conscience can be made good toward God only upon the recognition that his sins have been forgiven proving that man receives the remission of sins performed on Calvary prior to being baptized. The man who has a clean conscience toward God because he has recognized his sins have been remitted responds to this existing reality by being baptized. Baptism externally declares the existing reality of a man accepting that his sins have been forgiven. I do not see Scriptural support for baptismal sin remission.

adino that sounds good but the bible says that

Repentance AND remissions should be preached in his name

...be Baptized FOR remissions of sins


how do you reconcile this??? It's in the bible isn't it???


No, I do not look anything like those pictures. you must been smoking too many reefers

[Adino]

LOL.... maybe I should put it to a vote whether there is a resemblance.

I agree that repentance and remission should be preached through his name. Man should return to God through faith in Christ. Sin remission is preached through Christ. No arguments here.

The discussion over the word EIS in Acts 2:38 is an interesting one. It can be interpreted to mean several things. It can be causal or non-causal. Steve will probably jump in here without answering my other question because this is a pet argument of his. He fails to realize that EIS can be causal and still not demand his interpretation of baptismal sin remission. I'll let you do a search of my other posts on this forum for much more detail. I do not want this thread to be turned into that discussion.

I want someone to tell me why so many here believe that baptism cleans the conscience of man when Scripture plainly states that a good/clean conscience exists prior to baptism. Can you do that for me, Mark?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Adino

LOL.... maybe I should put it to a vote whether there is a resemblance.

I agree that repentance and remission should be preached through his name. Man should return to God through faith in Christ. Sin remission is preached through Christ. No arguments here.

The discussion over the word EIS in Acts 2:38 is an interesting one. It can be interpreted to mean several things. It can be causal or non-causal. Steve will probably jump in here without answering my other question because this is a pet argument of his. He fails to realize that EIS can be causal and still not demand his interpretation of baptismal sin remission. I'll let you do a search of my other posts on this forum for much more detail. I do not want this thread to be turned into that discussion.

I want someone to tell me why so many here believe that baptism cleans the conscience of man when Scripture plainly states that a good/clean conscience exists prior to baptism. Can you do that for me, Mark?

the bible never said anything about a good conscience saving us or being the result of salvation. I believe it means a good conscience choice

[Fiyahstarter]

Good discussion.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Good discussion.

Who asked you? Hey....wanna be my friend?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by StMark

Okay Freeatlast, let's break this down:

A) Epley said Faith is action - agree or disagree? Action is a result of faith.

B) Epley said baptism is not just a good work- agree or disagree? but I believe it's the answer of a good conscience (because they are saved NOT to get saved) towards God.

C)Epley said Baptismal identifies us with his burial - agree or disagree? baptism can be refered to as a burial...but how is that an action that saves you?

D)Epley said that Baptism is man obeying God (God's word)- agree or disagree?
Could'nt agree more !! I also obey God's word when I love you, my neighbor...but that is not what saves me...I am able to do that because of Christ's salvation in my life.

I am wondering if you are just disagreeing simply because it's Epley saying it ?????

No not at all....I've seen Br Epley to be right on more than one occasion
....maybe even three times


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[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Remission of sins is effective for all mankind however the penitent recieve this gift when they are immersed in Jesus Name and then and ONLY then is remission of sins conferred.

Haha! That's what I thought! I was right again, but of course I disagree with you on this point. And of course you already know that.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Adino

Steve, you must be ignoring my posts. Repeat after me...... to the "faith alone" advocate mere mental assent is not faith....mere mental assent is not faith.... mere mental assent is not faith. Knowledge + mental assent + TRUST = faith. It is dishonest of you to keep implying I believe faith is nothing but mere mental assent.

Now before we continue with the remission issue, we have to clear up your faulty view of baptism's relation to a clear conscience.

You continually try to say that "baptism clears the conscience" when 1Peter 3:21 says that baptism is "the answer [or response] of a good [clear] conscience". Why do you say baptism clears the conscience when Scripture says baptism is the response of one who already has a clear conscience?

You've avoided this point in several posts now. Please, address this.

Why do you say baptism clears the conscience when Scripture says baptism is the response of one who already has a clear conscience?

Adino you know I believe a person is forgiven at repentance and his sins are remitted at baptism that is the answer to your question. However the conscience is NOT cleared until baptism that erases the record. ONLY in baptism in Jesus Name in the Church age are the sins remitted of the penitent. Baptism is FOR(eis) toward-in order to-unto the remission of sins.