Effective evangelists?

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, it was a lesson learned for me about 2 preterists and a cat....LOL

I did clearly see your disdain for the KJV(all of you) in your posts. Now I know where not to go with you guys.

Seriously, Sean. You come off like you have mental issues here. Not a single person showed disdain for any version of the Bible except for you.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean, this one comment was worth the whole thread, so if the NIV holder can get to heaven, then we should all Praise Jesus! If they decide to move on to another contemporary English translation not missing verses then Praise the Lord in Jesus name. The point is this, that the Elizabethan English isn't spoken in heaven.

Uh-oh! You don't did it now!

Originally Posted by Sean

Yes Benincasa , "fragments" of truth can get you into the water. I guess these same "fragments" are what they can read the rest of their life(missing key words and scriptures)?

Shall we wait until they have been in church 10 years before we "carefully and gingerly" approach them about these problematic translations?

Maybe AFTER they have joined the ministry and have set out to change the ministry themselves to support ALL versions?

To me this says everything. Sean, apparently you don't even have enough faith to believe that the Holy Ghost would lead a person, even in their choice of Bible version. Sad.

[Bowas]

While I understand the value of consistency of all reading from the same version, there is much to be said by using the version a new convert is already comfortable with and may even be highlighted and marked up a bit from their own studies. It can be met with suspicion as to why their trusted and loved version is no good while the one you or I may prefer is better, or even best.
When I have taught, I have had students doubt I was teaching truth, as they had never seen it in their preferred Bible, but when I would have them look in the Bible of their choice, the one they brought to the Bible study, it takes on legitimacy as to what I am teaching as it is found, not only in my preferred version, but in the version they brought in as well. That is more powerful than discrediting one version over another at that point in their learning experience.

I know too, I have had to interject or interpret some, somewhat archaic words found within the KJV to the students, as it is not the common vernacular of todays English speakers. So even as good as the KJV may be, it is not always a stand alone comprehensible version.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Bowas

While I understand the value of consistency of all reading from the same version, there is much to be said by using the version a new convert is already comfortable with and may even be highlighted and marked up a bit from their own studies. It can be met with suspicion as to why their trusted and loved version is no good while the one you or I may prefer is better, or even best.
When I have taught, I have had students doubt I was teaching truth, as they had never seen it in their preferred Bible, but when I would have them look in the Bible of their choice, the one they brought to the Bible study, it takes on legitimacy as to what I am teaching as it is found, not only in my preferred version, but in the version they brought in as well. That is more powerful than discrediting one version over another at that point in their learning experience.

I know too, I have had to interject or interpret some, somewhat archaic words found within the KJV to the students, as it is not the common vernacular of todays English speakers. So even as good as the KJV may be, it is not always a stand alone comprehensible version.

[Esaias]

If a person seriously balks at the KJV, I tell them (or give them) an NKJV. I do encourage everyone to read and study the KJV, until they can use an Interlinear.

I do believe the KJV is the best English translation out there, all things considered. I also believe regular use of the KJV usually results in advancing one's analytical and thinking skills, reading comprehension, etc.

Although some things in this thread have made me doubt that lately...

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If a person seriously balks at the KJV, I tell them (or give them) an NKJV. I do encourage everyone to read and study the KJV, until they can use an Interlinear.

I do believe the KJV is the best English translation out there, all things considered. I also believe regular use of the KJV usually results in advancing one's analytical and thinking skills, reading comprehension, etc.

Although some things in this thread have made me doubt that lately...

[TK Burk]

They say music soothes the savage beast, so here you go, Sean.

If John the Baptist Used the King James Version

Hear Audio

Verse 1:
We read how in the very last days that knowledge would abound
But there’s something going on today that causes me to frown
As I walk into the Bible bookstores all across the nation
Each time I look there’s seem to be another new translation

Chorus:
There’s the RSV and the ASV and a paraphrase or two
There’s just about any kind you want to pick your point of view
But the thing that bothers me the most is the people cannot see
If John the Baptist used the King James Version
Then it’s good enough for me

Verse 2:
It seems that when I talk today I’m wasting precious breath
They tell us that the word is “Say” when we know it should be “Saith”
They’ve taken out all “Thee’s” and “Thou’s”, they’re replacing them with “You’s”
I know my friend it’s hard to grasp, but what I say is true

Chorus:
There’s the RSV and the ASV and a paraphrase or two
There’s just about any kind you want to pick your point of view
But the thing that bothers me the most is the people cannot see
If John the Baptist used the King James Version
Then it’s good enough for me

Verse 3:
You give a man his PhD and he thinks that he is free
To change around the Word of God to soothe his own fancy
If the King James Version was good enough for Paul and Timothy
I’ll tell you brother without a doubt, it’s good enough for me.

Chorus:
There’s the RSV and the ASV and a paraphrase or two
There’s just about any kind you want to pick your point of view
But the thing that bothers me the most is the people cannot see
If John the Baptist used the King James Version
Then it’s good enough for me

Verse 4:
Give me that old King James Version
Give me that old King James Version
Give me that old King James Version
If the King James Version was good enough for John the Baptist
It’s good enough for me.

[TK Burk]

Here's an offer you might want, Sean.

King Jimmy bobblehead

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Here's an offer you might want, Sean.

King Jimmy bobblehead

(pssst...just between you and I, that is Sean making the pitch for the KJV)

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Bowas

(pssst...just between you and I, that is Sean making the pitch for the KJV)