The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits - Page 61

SDG · #**601** 02-24-2007, 02:40 PM

Sammy boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#**602** 02-24-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

So now you are questioning the Oneness of God?

I guess the slippery slope theory is really true.

The guy is using the thing as a hypothetical.

Lighten up...
Sheesh.............

SDG · #**603** 02-24-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Howard Goss told Carl Ballestero at a camp meeting in Indiana that "even the Baptists will be in the Bride of Christ."

They don't want to hear it ... the first UPCI superintendent is among many Apostolic greats that felt this way .... but ... they would rather marginalize modern PCIers ... as they did to Goss after not re-electing him in the early 1950's ... same M.O.

whollyHis · #**604** 02-24-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by whollyHis

I have a sincere question, and I have asked it before- but got very few serious responses...

If you can 'be saved' without the NAme being applied in baptism, and you can be saved with or without speaking in tongues as the spirit of God giveth utterance (receiving the Holy Ghost), and you can be saved with, or without maintaining a code of dress that sets you apart from the world...What then, is the 'deciding factor' in this equation, of whether one makes into the Bride of Christ? What sets His children 'apart' from everyone else?

*Disclaimer....I am NOT judging any one group of folk. I sincerely WANT to have an answer to this question...

*BUMP*

Brett Prince · #**605** 02-24-2007, 02:59 PM

You brethren can use the Word of God as a measuring stick, certainly, and you have every right to declare someone lost if they do not measure up. I simply will not and cannot do so. I believe that we must leave these hypotheticals in the hands of God. He knows where there heart was, and what their intention was. He has been known to impute some things by faith--even when the person did not necessarily deserve it. I shall leave the imputing to Him.

SDG · #**606** 02-24-2007, 03:01 PM

Goss was marginalized after he was put out by the hardliners ... The same things being said in this thread about not being sold out on Acts 2:39... were said back then .... eery.

From TF's Christianity without the Cross

Sam · #**607** 02-24-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by whollyHis

I have a sincere question, and I have asked it before- but got very few serious responses...

If you can 'be saved' without the NAme being applied in baptism, and you can be saved with or without speaking in tongues as the spirit of God giveth utterance (receiving the Holy Ghost), and you can be saved with, or without maintaining a code of dress that sets you apart from the world...What then, is the 'deciding factor' in this equation, of whether one makes into the Bride of Christ? What sets His children 'apart' from everyone else?

*Disclaimer....I am NOT judging any one group of folk. I sincerely WANT to have an answer to this question...

answer to the bold portion of the above question:

The transformation that occurs when a person comes to Jesus in repentance by faith and has his/her sins forgiven.
This is based on the following quote from the UPC articles of faith:

Pardon and forgiveness of sins is obtained by genuine repentance, a confessing
and forsaking of sins. We are justified by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1).
John the Baptist preached repentance, Jesus proclaimed it, and the apostles emphasized
it to both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 2:38, 11:18, 17:30).

The word "repentance" means a change of views and purpose, change of heart,
change of mind, change of life, transformation, etc.

Jesus said, "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

Luke 24:47 says, "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached
in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

stmatthew · #**608** 02-24-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett Prince

You brethren can use the Word of God as a measuring stick, certainly, and you have every right to declare someone lost if they do not measure up. I simply will not and cannot do so. I believe that we must leave these hypotheticals in the hands of God. He knows where there heart was, and what their intention was. He has been known to impute some things by faith--even when the person did not necessarily deserve it. I shall leave the imputing to Him.

Bro, I do not think we should just go around with bible in hand holding it up to each person and stating who is saved and who is not. But when a hypothetical situation is presented, to hold back the truth would be, to me, a disservice to the Gospel. The one usually presenting the hypothetical situation is usually attempting to undermind the gospel of truth, and neutralize its power to save. They give the situation in the hopes that we will cower and not stand for what the bible states very plainly it takes to be saved.

Barb · #**609** 02-24-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

They don't want to hear it ... the first UPCI superintendent is among many Apostolic greats that felt this way .... but ... they would rather marginalize modern PCIers ... as they did to Goss after not re-electing him in the early 1950's ... same M.O.

Well, ya know, I was told, "Those men are dead and gone now!!" It's as if everything they taught and all that they meant in days gone by is without merit...shot down the tubes because "they were soft on the message" or "never believed the message."

And then I hear, "Well, they were coming out of denomintional churches and were not willing or unable to refute their own experiences there." In other words, our Pentecostal pioneers, not wanting to say they were never saved before, made excuses for themselves.

I have to tell you, it is disheartening...very troubling to know that the church history I thought I knew, I did not. It is equally troubling to read that the men I have held in such high regard spoken of with such disdain...just a shrug of the shoulders and a "they never believed it" and then go about our business?!

I don't get this...not at all!!

Brett Prince · #**610** 02-24-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Bro, I do not think we should just go around with bible in hand holding it up to each person and stating who is saved and who is not. But when a hypothetical situation is presented, to hold back the truth would be, to me, a disservice to the Gospel. The one usually presenting the hypothetical situation is usually attempting to undermind the gospel of truth, and neutralize its power to save. They give the situation in the hopes that we will cower and not stand for what the bible states very plainly it takes to be saved.

Matt,

I understand your thinking. I get tired of 'winning' and just want some biblical purity. In the end, salvation IS in the hands of God.