America and the Endtime

[Sister Alvear]

Brother did you personally know WB?
It is no secret that Elder Epley once preacher B doctrine and taught it.
I am not one to speak evil of others but that doctrine ruined many close friends of mine. I rejoice that your marriage was saved and I do agree people had took things to far extremes.
However have you read marriage and divorce?
Many people (men) took advantage of that doctrine and fed their lustful souls...The Elder and I know quite a few of them. (personally)

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Brother did you personally know WB?
It is no secret that Elder Epley once preacher B doctrine and taught it.
I am not one to speak evil of others but that doctrine ruined many close friends of mine. I rejoice that your marriage was saved and I do agree people had took things to far extremes.
However have you read marriage and divorce?
Many people (men) took advantage of that doctrine and fed their lustful souls...The Elder and I know quite a few of them. (personally)

Sister Alvear, No I did not know Brother Branham personally ... I haven't even once visited the US!

I have a well marked copy of M&D as well as a tape of the sermon which I have listened to 4 or 5 times. I do not understand how people can misconstrue what he said for their own lustful ends (although I concede that some probably do).

William Branham only ever stated two grounds upon which a man can remarry: the death of his wife, or premarital fornication.
The trouble is that people only take the bits they like and ignore the rest.

[Thad]

Kenod


Do you believe that William Branham was reincarnated as Elijah? if so, what Proof do you have ?

Do you believe he was the 7th Angel ? if so, why? what proof do you have?


Do you believe that Eve had sex with a satan himself ? just yes or no will do.


how does one obtain salvation? is it by believing in the Prophet ?

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Thad

Do you believe that William Branham was reincarnated as Elijah?

no

Do you believe he was the 7th Angel?

yes

if so, why? what proof do you have?

The same proof that Paul was the first angel.

Do you believe that Eve had sex with a satan himself?

no

how does one obtain salvation?

Eph 1:6-7 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

is it by believing in the Prophet ?

no

I can expand if you want me to

The same proof that Paul was the first angel.

huh???

like Michael, Gabriel angel??? or...

link?

[kenod]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

huh???

like Michael, Gabriel angel??? or...

link?

No, I believe the 7 angels of the 7 churches in Rev chapters 2 & 3 are men. Many people believe they are the pastors of the churches in John's day - I also believe they are 7 messengers to 7 historical church ages: the last three being Martin Luther, John Wesley, and William Branham.

(Note: The same word for "angel" is used for John the Baptist. Mat 11:10; Luke 7:27)

Originally Posted by kenod

No, I believe the 7 angels of the 7 churches in Rev chapters 2 & 3 are men. Many people believe they are the pastors of the churches in John's day - I also believe they are 7 messengers to 7 historical church ages: the last three being Martin Luther, John Wesly, and William Branham.

(Note: The same word for "angel" is used for John the Baptist. Mat 11:10; Luke 7:27)

OH!! It sounds much wierder than it is when you simply say "do you believe Brahman was the 7th angel?" to people who don't know what you are talking about...

so... a few questions (if you will... and all of these are assuming what you say is correct, I don't feel like typing that phrase 100 times):

so we have:

Paul, ????, ???, ???, Luther, Wesley, Branham

who are the "blanks"??? Or is that unknown???

are these churches suppose to be progressing to good???

how do the warnings/praises apply to these people and the churches they were the head of?

How did the 1st century church leave thier first love? Is that referring to Judaism because Paul took the church away from the Law?

And I guess the real question is did they heed the warning?

Sardis would be Luther, then.... I guess that kind of makes sense if you look at it like that... I'm taking it you take he is suppose to wake up the church from the dormancy that they suffered in during the Catholic reign during the dark ages...

how does Philadelphia apply to Wesley's time???

and well, I easily see how the modern church is lukewarm... I'm not sure about seeing it as Brahman, but I see how it could apply to this age...

I guess my biggest issue is I'm not sure there were 7 "church ages", I would say that's a stretch... I would say that those middle 3 between Paul and Luther are what this whole thing hinges on and if you don't have decent answers for where those are, this whole thing falls apart...

interesting theory, though, although, again, I'm very not convinced that Brahman is the 7th...

[kenod]

William Branham was not the first to teach 7 historical church ages.

Some of my most used Bible reference books also look favourably on the church ages interpretation.

Halley, H. H., Halley's Bible Handbook, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1978) p688

Scofield, C. I., The Scofield Study Bible, (Oxford university Press, 1996) p1332

Unger, M. F., Unger's Bible Dictionary, (The Moody Bible Institute of Chicago, 1975) p924

William Branham's interpretation is set out in his book An Exposition of the Seven Church Ages

Right from the start we are told that The Revelation is a prophecy:
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

A really good way to look at Rev chapters 2 & 3 as history (fulfilled prophecy) is to watch the dvd's “Christianity: The First Thousand Years” and “Christianity: The Second Thousand Years”(The History Channel, A&E Television Networks, 1998).

If a person accepts the church ages explanation, then they probably would not have too much trouble with Paul being the first angel, and Irenaeus the second. Martin of Tours and Columba of Iona as the third and fourth angels respectively are probably a bit more contentious.

The Philadelphian age according to William Branham's understanding was the missionary age ... the age of "brotherly love". He starts the last age at the Azusa Street revival in 1906.

Now a question for you: How did the first Christians know that Paul was a messenger sent by God?

[Ferd]

If one were to pick a guy to be the 7th on that list, it sure looks like number 7 lost some luster from the others you name.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by kenod

no



yes



The same proof that Paul was the first angel.



no



Eph 1:6-7 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



no

I can expand if you want me to

not believing that Branham was Elijah is a contradiction to what HE taught and what most believe.

go ahead and expand a little