THe Current PCI Beliefs

[SDG]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Actually, it was. I was very worried that the rapture would take place and I wouldn't make it.

What a shame ... Imagine how many are going through this right now ... and have endured it ... in years passed ....

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I'm in agreement here.

I believe that the scripures teach that we are justified at repentance. To me, if a person resists water baptism, I question whether they have actually been justified. If you surrender, you surrender!

[tv1a]

This is what I know. (plz correct me if I'm wrong.)
PCI'ers are saved @ repentance, but baptism of water and Spirit is encouraged but not shoved down one's throat. I have serious reservations about this doctrine. I haven't had anyone attempt to answer these questions.

1. I do not understand how a person can be saved at repentance, have Jesus live in their heart, then be filled with the Holy Ghost. How can that be reconciled to the "Oneness" doctrine?

2. I do not understand if Jesus lives in your heart why a person needs the Holy Ghost. It looks like God is sharing space with the Holy Ghost in one's heart.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by tv1a

This is what I know. (plz correct me if I'm wrong.)
PCI'ers are saved @ repentance, but baptism of water and Spirit is encouraged but not shoved down one's throat. I have serious reservations about this doctrine. I haven't had anyone attempt to answer these questions.

1. I do not understand how a person can be saved at repentance, have Jesus live in their heart, then be filled with the Holy Ghost. How can that be reconciled to the "Oneness" doctrine?

2. I do not understand if Jesus lives in your heart why a person needs the Holy Ghost. It looks like God is sharing space with the Holy Ghost in one's heart.

Because there is a difference in experience from repentance to being baptized in the Spirit.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Because there is a difference in experience from repentance to being baptized in the Spirit.

Perhaps, MOW, an illustration would do ... or some deeper clarification ... for my TV friend ... He's searching for truth.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here is a group with PCI leanings.
http://www.interma.net

[Sam]

Originally Posted by tv1a

This is what I know. (plz correct me if I'm wrong.)
PCI'ers are saved @ repentance, but baptism of water and Spirit is encouraged but not shoved down one's throat. I have serious reservations about this doctrine. I haven't had anyone attempt to answer these questions.

1. I do not understand how a person can be saved at repentance, have Jesus live in their heart, then be filled with the Holy Ghost. How can that be reconciled to the "Oneness" doctrine?

2. I do not understand if Jesus lives in your heart why a person needs the Holy Ghost. It looks like God is sharing space with the Holy Ghost in one's heart.

1. At salvation/regeneration/justification Jesus comes into a person's heart as the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Jesus Christ/Spirit of the Lord/Holy Ghost. He is Christ in you the hope of glory.

2. Baptism in the Spirit is an immersion/overwhelming/saturation/empowerment experience in the Spirit subsequent to salvation

At salvation, the Holy Spirit comes in and takes over and transforms the individual. This is living water within according to John 4 and drinking from the well of salvation according to Isaiah 12. The HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) is rivers of living water flowing out according to John 7:37-39.

At salvation the Holy Spirit comes in and is like a pilot light (for you who are old enough to remember that term). At HGB the pilot light becomes a flame, energizing, anointing, and releasing gifts in us.

John chapter 20 was a maternity ward. Acts chapter 2 was a bapsitmal tank.

It has been described this way.
Imagine an empty water glass and a pitcher full of water on a table.
1. Lift the pitcher and fill the glass. Set the pitcher back on the table. The glass is full of water. This represents salvation/regeneration.
2. Pick up the glass full of water, and gently lower it into the pitcher of water until it is sitting on its bottom in the pitcher. Now the glass is not only filled with water, it is also submerged/immersed/saturated in the water. This represents the Holy Ghost baptism.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sam

1. At salvation/regeneration/justification Jesus comes into a person's heart as the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Jesus Christ/Spirit of the Lord/Holy Ghost. He is Christ in you the hope of glory.

2. Baptism in the Spirit is an immersion/overwhelming/saturation/empowerment experience in the Spirit subsequent to salvation

At salvation, the Holy Spirit comes in and takes over and transforms the individual. This is living water within according to John 4 and drinking from the well of salvation according to Isaiah 12. The HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) is rivers of living water flowing out according to John 7:37-39.

At salvation the Holy Spirit comes in and is like a pilot light (for you who are old enough to remember that term). At HGB the pilot light becomes a flame, energizing, anointing, and releasing gifts in us.

John chapter 20 was a maternity ward. Acts chapter 2 was a bapsitmal tank.

It has been described this way.
Imagine an empty water glass and a pitcher full of water on a table.
1. Lift the pitcher and fill the glass. Set the pitcher back on the table. The glass is full of water. This represents salvation/regeneration.
2. Pick up the glass full of water, and gently lower it into the pitcher of water until it is sitting on its bottom in the pitcher. Now the glass is not only filled with water, it is also submerged/immersed/saturated in the water. This represents the Holy Ghost baptism.

TV ... Sam has explained this to me before ... it's so clear.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Here is a group with PCI leanings.
http://www.interma.net

The I.M.A. has been around for quite a while. If I remember correctly, Bro. Kidson was part of the formation of that organization. He was a respected pioneer in the Pentecostal movement. In Bro. Ewart's book, The Phenomenon of Pentecost, he spoke highly of Bro. Kidson and included a picture of him. I'm not sure if current editionsstill of that book mention Bro. Kidson or if the UPC has "sanitized" it to remove him from it.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Here is a group with PCI leanings.
http://www.interma.net

I am not affiliated with the I.M.A. but I do receive their newsletter.
But I guess that doesn't surprise the folks here who are familiar with me.