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05-02-2016, 11:11 PM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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Originally Posted by Esaias
Hebrew Matthew? That's been debunked so many times its no longer interesting.
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*Exactly. There's a ton of textual ignorance in this thread - from both sides.
*And, KJVO is so silly it's hard to believe anyone seriously argues this w. a straight face:
https://apostolicacademics.com/2015/...f-kjv-onlyism/
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05-03-2016, 12:23 AM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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Inherent to the culture---WE ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE---is the attitude. I grew up believing it. I preached it. God is no respecter of persons. I repented of my self righteousness and spiritual pride. It's modern-day Phariseeism.
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You seem a bit upset?
You know Jesus can help you with that bitter taste in your mouth. 
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05-03-2016, 12:35 AM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta
Not all Greek manuscripts of Matthew are complete. This is something I assumed everyone knew. So...of the Greek Matthew manuscripts we have that have and ending to 18:19, all of them read the same.
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And that ought to settle it.
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05-03-2016, 02:25 PM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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And that ought to settle it.
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Ha, dear friend this is not close to being settled, not by a long shot.
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05-10-2016, 05:08 PM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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and I will repeat to you a million times that the original text of Matthew was in Hebrew not Greek, go and join your pal Steven Avery in the playground at the preschool of your choice.  |
Your response here is the kind that causes my warning radar to go off. When people resort to name calling and demeaning people in their response it usually means they don't really have a good response so they just attack.
I would suggest that if you want to be taken seriously here you should discuss matters in a scholarly fashion and respond without resorting to childish playground insults.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
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05-10-2016, 06:10 PM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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Your response here is the kind that causes my warning radar to go off. When people resort to name calling and demeaning people in their response it usually means they don't really have a good response so they just attack.
I would suggest that if you want to be taken seriously here you should discuss matters in a scholarly fashion and respond without resorting to childish playground insults.
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I already gave many citations by ancient scholars which explicitly mention a Hebrew gospel of Matthew, since they simply ignored those citations it means that they are not serious about accepting a scholarly response.
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05-10-2016, 06:30 PM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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Ha, dear friend this is not close to being settled, not by a long shot.
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How can it not be settled?
Every manuscript with the ending reads the same. So, gee, how do we translate it? Do we translate it according to how every manuscript reads? Or do we change it for a reading we like, that has ZERO MANUSCRIPT SUPPORT?
I mean, seriously, how can there be an argument? 'All the copies read ABC, but personally I think the original MAY have read XYZ, so let's abandon ABC in favor of XYZ.' What kind of reasoning is that? I'll tell you what kind - it's NOT 'reasoning' at all.
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05-10-2016, 06:31 PM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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I already gave many citations by ancient scholars which explicitly mention a Hebrew gospel of Matthew, since they simply ignored those citations it means that they are not serious about accepting a scholarly response.
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Your citations were debunked. YOU chose to ignore THAT.
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05-10-2016, 09:24 PM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
The church father citations are duly noted and are interesting.
But we can only translate Greek manuscripts we currently possess.
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05-10-2016, 09:39 PM
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Re: Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.
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The church father citations are duly noted and are interesting.
But we can only translate Greek manuscripts we currently possess.
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Right, my copy of scripture wasn't meant to be a translation of the AnteNicene Fathers.
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