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Re: Love Everybody
I'm feeling it up in here with the Bishop speaking the truth!!!!
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01-28-2013, 02:17 PM
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Re: Love Everybody
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I like what Tim Gill tweeted the other day:
"Telling the truth in anger doesn't diminish truth, just the credibility of the speaker."
There are couple of quandaries that come up when people don't show love to one another--even when speaking *hard* truths. First, those who are trying to appear loving feel pressured to not speak up at all in certain situations lest they be associated with those who aren't speaking the truth in love. Secondly, when you speak the same truth in love that another spoke in anger, you run the risk (again) of guilt by association.
My Dad drilled this into me: If you say you love God, but you don't love your brother, you're a liar. (I John)
If I have to err, I would prefer to err on the side of grace and love than on the side of causing offense or provoking someone to anger.
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I agree with you and your Dad. I do struggle sometimes to say things carefully, because if I say what I really feel, it is not always kind or nice. Even if I am right, it doesn't mean I need to say it.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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01-28-2013, 02:18 PM
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Re: Love Everybody
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
I'm feeling it up in here with the Bishop speaking the truth!!!!
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That Bishop is a trouble maker. And needs to be sat down!!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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01-28-2013, 02:31 PM
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Re: Love Everybody
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Originally Posted by Cindy
I agree with you and your Dad. I do struggle sometimes to say things carefully, because if I say what I really feel, it is not always kind or nice. Even if I am right, it doesn't mean I need to say it.
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One of the greatest things I have learned in the process of getting older  is that saying nothing is often the best solution. I like for my POV to be heard, but when I am quiet I often find that either someone else will have the same thoughts I was having (ergo, I shouldn't be so arrogant as to think I'm the only one with good ideas), OR when I listen for a little while longer I see that my opinions wouldn't have been all that helpful.
There is no way my 26 year old self would have believed what I just typed. 
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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01-28-2013, 02:33 PM
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Re: Love Everybody
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
One of the greatest things I have learned in the process of getting older is that saying nothing is often the best solution. I like for my POV to be heard, but when I am quiet I often find that either someone else will have the same thoughts I was having (ergo, I shouldn't be so arrogant as to think I'm the only one with good ideas), OR when I listen for a little while longer I see that my opinions wouldn't have been all that helpful.
There is no way my 26 year old self would have believed what I just typed. |
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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01-28-2013, 02:39 PM
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Re: Love Everybody
I grew up in a hard family.
I was raised in a hard-hearted church system.
I had to re-learn many things in my adult years that many of you learned when you were a child.
I'm still learning.
Isn't that supposed to be a life-long process?
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01-28-2013, 02:40 PM
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Re: Love Everybody
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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?
I grew up in a hard family.
I was raised in a hard-hearted church system.
I had to re-learn many things in my adult years that many of you learned when you were a child.
I'm still learning.
Isn't that supposed to be a life-long process?
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Yes! How boring would it be if we were born knowing everything we need to know?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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01-28-2013, 02:55 PM
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Tired of it.
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Re: Love Everybody
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Originally Posted by Cindy
That Bishop is a trouble maker. And needs to be sat down!!
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The truth will set you free, young lady.
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Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. — André Gide
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds... - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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01-28-2013, 02:55 PM
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Re: Love Everybody
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I like what Tim Gill tweeted the other day:
"Telling the truth in anger doesn't diminish truth, just the credibility of the speaker."
There are couple of quandaries that come up when people don't show love to one another--even when speaking *hard* truths. First, those who are trying to appear loving feel pressured to not speak up at all in certain situations lest they be associated with those who aren't speaking the truth in love. Secondly, when you speak the same truth in love that another spoke in anger, you run the risk (again) of guilt by association.
My Dad drilled this into me: If you say you love God, but you don't love your brother, you're a liar. (I John)
If I have to err, I would prefer to err on the side of grace and love than on the side of causing offense or provoking someone to anger.
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Yet more proof of your wisdom... 
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01-28-2013, 02:56 PM
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Tired of it.
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Re: Love Everybody
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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz
The truth will set you free, young lady.
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I think that this Bishop Cleatus has a way with words. I don't agree with his assessment about women moderators that I read in another thread, but other than that, I think his posts are both thoughtful and on point.
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Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. — André Gide
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds... - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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