Knowing The Terror Of The Lord

[mfblume]

I have not read all the posts here either, but the latter posts remind me... The old issue of what makes us righteous is the key. Righteousness is our ticket to heaven. We cannot do anything but believe in order to get it. Jesus is actually the righteousness we require, himself. By one man's obedience many were made righteous. It is not because of our obedience but his.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Did I suggest that all one should ever hear is the fear of God? No. I said this.

1. Love of God
2. Fear of God

Having said that my point is that the thing which Paul said HE KNEW.....the terror of the Lord is a taboo today. Paul said he labored TO BE ACCEPTED at the judgment seat of Christ.

The false distorted teaching now is that you dont need to do that.

I appreciate the fact that you are trying to get across here. I believe you are saying that the "fear" of God needs to be preached just as we preach the Love of God and of Christ.

However, balance is the key issue here. Too much fear - legalism. Too much love - liberalism. There is a balance here that must be kept.

And, I read this morning in John a very intersting passage that would lend some insight into this subject.

John 12:47-48 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

You see here where Jesus is saying He will not be the judge, He says: "I judge him not". That is interesting. Jesus will NOT be our judge? Why? Because His blood shed for us, applied to our lives will be the atoning for our sins. God will be our judge, and yes, it will be a fearful day indeed. But for the blood of Jesus, we would not be able to stand. Jesus said, He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one who judgeth him.

So yes, there is a certain fearing and respect in our relationship with Christ, because we must "receive His words, and not reject Him" or we will have to answer to God. But there is a balance that must be maintained.

Part of the balanced teaching is fear, and part of it is love, but they both must be preached together, for one without the other brings misery, either way.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Paul did not speak about bent accepted as far as salvation were concerned, or else that would be salvation by works. He is speaking about being accepted as a worker that has done the duty one should do, apart from going to heaven or not. He will judge us for our efforts totally apart from going to heaven or not. It is for rewards and rebuke, etc. not salvation.

You could not be more wrong Mike. What you are teaching is the very same concept as once saved always saved. A concept is only as good as the whole counsel of God to back it up. What you are believing is against other teachings of Christ and the Apostles.

If our works are BAD that means they are evil. That means they are the works of the flesh as in Galatians chapter 5. People that do such things will not enter the Kingdom of Elohim. They will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Paul labored that he might be accepted of Christ Jesus IN THE RESURRECTION. He said so.

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Phil. 3:10

He says here he does everything he does that he might ATTAIN TO THE RESURRECTION. That is the very same thing he meant in 2 Cor. 5:9-11

Wherefore we labour , that, whether present or absent , we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done , whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

Reading that verse APART FROM the concepts of men we see the plain truth. Paul and all of us are to do everything with the aim of being accepted by Christ at the resurrection.

[TGBTG]

MTD, we keep asking you, but you never reply. Can you provide a list of ALL the THINGS we are supposed to do in order to be accepted of him?

If you are teaching something, you should at least make it known...Give us the list!!!





Oh, by the way, for those people in other countries who have responded to the gospel by way of Acts 2:38, but do not have access to bibles, is there any chance for them since they don't even have access to the list?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

MTD, we keep asking you, but you never reply. Can you provide a list of ALL the THINGS we are supposed to do in order to be accepted of him?

If you are teaching something, you should at least make it known...Give us the list!!!





Oh, by the way, for those people in other countries who have responded to the gospel by way of Acts 2:38, but do not have access to bibles, is there any chance for them since they don't even have access to the list?

If you are in love with Jesus and the whole desire of your heart is to be known of him I wont have to give you a list. You will be pressing in for yourself. Im just trying to help people who do love Christ Jesus to escape the false teachings and concepts of men so they will have a chance. The "list" is all the things in the scriptures.

YOU do have a Bible. YOU will be held responsible for the teachings therein.

The basic of discipleship is that we learn and obey the Lords commands.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo , I am with you alway , even unto the end of the world. Matt. 28:19-20

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If you are in love with Jesus and the whole desire of your heart is to be known of him I wont have to give you a list. You will be pressing in for yourself. Im just trying to help people who do love Christ Jesus to escape the false teachings and concepts of men so they will have a chance. The "list" is all the things in the scriptures.

YOU do have a Bible. YOU will be held responsible for the teachings therein.

The basic of discipleship is that we learn and obey the Lords commands.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo , I am with you alway , even unto the end of the world. Matt. 28:19-20

ok, no prob...

[AreYouReady?]

Some OP churches are sorely lacking in discipleship qualities.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Some OP churches are sorely lacking in discipleship qualities.

More people are lacking in willingness to be discipled.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Paul knew the terror of the Lord. He thought of it as a good thing. He linked it to being accepted by the Lord and the judgment. In the end time restoration we will hear more about it. Todays teaching either ignores it or opposes such teaching. They know only about a "nice" Jesus.

8 We are confident , I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour , that, whether present or absent , we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done , whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. 2 Cor. 5:8-11

Paul says we labor to be accepted by Christ. That we will stand before him for how we have lived. If we fear God now it will help us to overcome sin.

1. Love God
2. Fear God

These two principals will assure our acceptance into the Heavenly Kingdom. They work together not against each other.

We have turned God into a softie, that loves everyone. Jesus is mild mannered and would never hurt a fly. oh what foolishness we have.

Many old time preachers used to preach and people would fall down in terror of hell and damnation. grown sinful men would cry in fear.

God Almighty is not a softie, he is a terror. he thunders in the clouds and men tremble at his voice.
The Lord in righteousness destroyed the old world, then destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone.

The Lord brought death and destruction upon the evil doers.

Oh begone such idiocy that we now have as a concept of God.

My God is a Living fire, he speaks and the earth quakes.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

We have turned God into a softie, that loves everyone. Jesus is mild mannered and would never hurt a fly. oh what foolishness we have.

Many old time preachers used to preach and people would fall down in terror of hell and damnation. grown sinful men would cry in fear.

God Almighty is not a softie, he is a terror. he thunders in the clouds and men tremble at his voice.
The Lord in righteousness destroyed the old world, then destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone.

The Lord brought death and destruction upon the evil doers.

Oh begone such idiocy that we now have as a concept of God.

My God is a Living fire, he speaks and the earth quakes.

Sadly some people only want the Lamb. However, He is also described as being a Lion and a King. Neither kings nor lions are passive, easy going, or merciful when made angry.

We should always remember that his grace, wrath, mercy, and judment are all attributes that He will show to all men. Those who will not receive grace, mercy and pardon will face His wrath. Those who have accepted His calling will still see that wrath poured out upon those who rebelled against Him. He is holy!!!