Tithing, Mandate for the New Testament Church?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

probably, all I am saying is the only model the first church had was the OT. This would be a hard argument for even you to refute; however, I concede that there was nothing written about tithing from Acts to Revelations other than what was written to the Hebrews, but even that is somewhat obscure.

Brother Eastman, the problem with the model example is speculative and could not be used to establish doctrine. Which would we pick? Abraham, Jacob, or Mosaic Law?

I'm not against tithing just against how it is taught and tying it to salvation.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

But in the early church the apostles set the church in order,so what did the Apostles teach about giving in the NT. assemblies ?
If we are to teach what the Apostles should we not be examining what they taught on the issue ?

I would think so, yes sir!

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Brother Eastman, the problem with the model example is speculative and could not be used to establish doctrine. Which would we pick? Abraham, Jacob, or Mosaic Law?

I'm not against tithing just against how it is taught and tying it to salvation.

I don't think it should be tied to salvation at all either. That being said, I have lots of testimonies where God has taken care of me financially because I always at the very least gave and reaped what I have sown. I'm not a preacher that shoves tithing down someone's throat, however, I give good reasons why tithing should be given cheerfully.

[shag]

Who receives the tithe given in money, who determines who or who all receives it, who determines what happens to it after it is received, and where is the scripture that supports the answer to those questions?

[Jason B]

Amatuers

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sherri

We've gone around and around on this issue on here for years. No one is going to change their mind. If you believe it's valid, then you will continue to tithe. If you don't believe it's biblical, then you will continue NOT to tithe.

As for me and my house.........no one could convince me not to tithe. I've seen the principles work for 33 years of marriage. I just heard a testimony from someone this morning that started tithing about six months ago, because the Lord was speaking to them as a couple. The miracles that have happened in their finances since then have been just supernatural. They are definitely believers now.

I was staying out of this thread, but these types of posts cause me to jump in.

This defense is totally defenseless.

Big deal. I stopped tithing, started giving as I was able to, gave to people in need at times, other times to the church. My income has doubled in the last 5 years, and quadrupled in the last decade.

A man I knew paid tithes faithfully to Kenneth Copelands church (in my area) never missed a service or conference, and wouldn't think of not tithing. He paid his tithes over his mortage, and lost his families home. His paid his tithes over taking care of his vehicle, and it broke down and left him jobless. He ended up living in someones back yard in an old travel trailer 5th wheel, with a family of 4.

MY BIL pays "tithes" he lost his job, and ended up getting a call back and a promotion.

God honors giving, which can include "tithing" but does not include it of necessity. However tithing under pressure, compulsion, or outright bad doctrine can do serious damage to ones life. I've seen the blessing, and I've seen people taken advantage of.

I don't have a problem with blessed people, I suppose I'm so outspoken about this because of the people I've seen abused by it. How dare someone ANYONE tell a struggling soul on welfare, or social securtiy, or working a minimum wage part time job trying to support a that God requires them to give 10% of their income. Do not add to the Word of God. And if you have poor people in your church and your telling them that, you are abusing them. Yes I said it.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

If you are tithing under the Old Testament law then you ought to observe the whole thing. They were an example for us. Tithing should be the minimal. If they could give ten percent without the Holy Ghost shame on us who have it. We are to give a minimal of 10 percent. We need to be asking Jesus how much to give and it should never be the skin flint minimal using the Old Testament law to justify ourselves as to why we are so tight.

First NO ONE tithes under the Old Testament LAW. It is nearly impossible. They have taken the figure (10%) and misapplied it like crazy. Certainly no ministry who recieves what has been redefined as tithes actually does what the SCRIPTURES TEACH should be done with them.

While they are not going actually using the Old Testament Law, they are certainly incorporating salvation by works into their soteriology.

Does our righteousness exceeding the Pharisees righteousness really mean we must give a minimum of 11%? Really? What does that phrase mean? Anything the pharisees did we should do "better?" They wore long robes, maybe our holiness standards are righteous enough, maybe we need to go straight muslim and only uncover the eyes, THEN we will exceed the pharisees. To much eisegesis, not enough exegesis.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Apostolic Preachers preaching about tithes are typically long on opinions, stories, and semi-spiritual catch phrases that shoehorn in biblical stories into sermons about giving and receiving... and short on history, research, or objective teaching.

[Scott Hutchinson]

The issue is not giving,the issue here is Rightly Dividing The Word Of God,and being honest about what the scriptures teach.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I don't condone everything on the links,I give but they have some interesting info.
I don't give these for contention or give these in a bad spirit.
http://churchtithesandofferings.com/