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Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Thank you. That is what I commented that "the book" aka "the scripture" said and to my relief it has been confirmed hundreds of years later all the way up until today can ya gimme amen.
SO: The original question. If belief in God and faithfulness to God in that belief is what God counts unto Him towards righteousness - whats with the rules of how you look and what you watch and what you listen to and what percentage you give and all the other things within the church that are "requirements" of church members compared with "what saith the scripture".
Just wonderin'
The mercy of God was/is common knowledge the people of God know well how good he is! They sing about it, dance about it, rejoice about it! In days of old the didn't even call G_d name with out connecting the word mercy to it (Hashem) in Romans Paul brought up the mercy that was extended to Abraham to help the new/uninformed church understand the ways of this great God that they now serve.
Concerning your question about "requirements" I think you are referring to the principles of being separated from the world, that's a whole different discussion. That concerns staying away from the "unclean things"
1 Peter 1:14-19 (NLT)
So you must live as God's obedient children. Don't slip back into your old ways of living to satisfy your own desires. You didn't know any better then. [15] But now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. [16] For the Scriptures say, "You must be holy because I am holy." [17] And remember that the heavenly Father to whom you pray has no favorites. He will judge or reward you according to what you do. So you must live in reverent fear of him during your time as "foreigners in the land." [18] For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver. [19] It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.
Just my thought I'm sure far more learned can better explain this then me.
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I have been a lot of places and seen a lot of things in the world of Christian followers.. I just have a few questions, CAN I THINK OUT LOUD?
The bible says Lot vexed his righteous soul in being there and seeing and hearing their deeds. So if he was righteous before going there it seems the unrighteousness of the people were wearing off on him
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God decreed destruction for the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. A mound of ashes was all that was left—grim warning to anyone bent on an ungodly life. But that good man Lot, driven nearly out of his mind by the sexual filth and perversity, was rescued. Surrounded by moral rot day after day after day, that righteous man was in constant torment.
9So God knows how to rescue the godly from evil trials. And he knows how to hold the feet of the wicked to the fire until Judgment Day.
Interesting point. As much as I hate to admit this is in 2 Peter, because I hear believers using this "contaminated" language all the time, it's certainly there. And at the same time, God tells Israel to live in Babylon, at one point, and to thrive there, seek the peace of the city, etc... Interesting contrast.
As much as we call Lot "good" -- he must only be good because he was elected by GOD and a faltering believer. There certainly is not a lot of good done by Lot in the Story... but plenty of God's goodness.
So, what's more important: what we believe or what we do?
What we believe.
Do I really believe God is in control when I frustrate myself and cause anxiety by being in control? When I fully believe He is in control I am alleviated from that harmful condition. All believing is connected to how we live. Growing and maturing in that belief is my personal challenge. Others call this "growing in Christ."
Things we do often affect other people, sometimes in good ways and sometimes in bad ways. That matters, a lot. Things we believe are sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect. That doesn't matter all that much, since nobody else is affected, at all. IMO
Now, it's true what we believe can influence what we do. But it's the end result that really matters: how we treat each other. E.g., I believe it's good to be good to others, so there ya go.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Things we do often affect other people, sometimes in good ways and sometimes in bad ways. That matters, a lot. Things we believe are sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect. That doesn't matter all that much, since nobody else is affected, at all. IMO
Now, it's true what we believe can influence what we do. But it's the end result that really matters: how we treat each other. E.g., I believe it's good to be good to others, so there ya go.
Revelations: The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Socialite: What we believe
The question is repeated. if we are judged by what we do what is more important, what we believe or what we do?
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Originally Posted by Socialite
What we believe.
Do I really believe God is in control when I frustrate myself and cause anxiety by being in control? When I fully believe He is in control I am alleviated from that harmful condition. All believing is connected to how we live. Growing and maturing in that belief is my personal challenge. Others call this "growing in Christ."
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