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04-19-2010, 02:50 PM
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Re: How do I leave
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Originally Posted by Michlow
Merton’s Prayer
My Lord God, I have no idea where I am going. I do not see the road ahead of me, I cannot know for certain where it will end. Nor do I really know myself, and the fact that I think I am following your will does not mean that I am actually doing so. But I believe that the desire to please you does in fact please you. And I hope I have that desire in all that I am doing. I hope that I will never do anything apart from that desire. And I know that if I do this you will lead me by the right road, though I may know nothing about it. Therefore I will trust you always though I may seem to be lost and in the shadow of death. I will not fear, for you are ever with me, and you will never leave me to face my perils alone. (Thoughts in Solitude, Thomas Merton, 81) |
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04-19-2010, 07:20 PM
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Re: How do I leave
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Originally Posted by Michlow
Merton’s Prayer
My Lord God, I have no idea where I am going. I do not see the road ahead of me, I cannot know for certain where it will end. Nor do I really know myself, and the fact that I think I am following your will does not mean that I am actually doing so. But I believe that the desire to please you does in fact please you. And I hope I have that desire in all that I am doing. I hope that I will never do anything apart from that desire. And I know that if I do this you will lead me by the right road, though I may know nothing about it. Therefore I will trust you always though I may seem to be lost and in the shadow of death. I will not fear, for you are ever with me, and you will never leave me to face my perils alone. (Thoughts in Solitude, Thomas Merton, 81) |
This Merton guy is pretty sharp for an 81 year old.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-19-2010, 07:26 PM
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Re: How do I leave
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Originally Posted by CC1
This Merton guy is pretty sharp for an 81 year old.
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Oh CeeCee, how I have missed your sense of humor! 
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04-19-2010, 07:53 PM
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Re: How do I leave
Many good words from people on here. Good advice from most too.
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04-20-2010, 12:51 AM
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Re: How do I leave
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Oh CeeCee, how I have missed your sense of humor! |
LOL!!! You are probably one of the few who gets it. I put the "dry" in dry sense of humor.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-20-2010, 12:53 AM
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Re: How do I leave
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Many good words from people on here. Good advice from most too.
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Yup. It is a very serious thread. If it were not so serious I would post what crosses my mind every time I see the title of this thread on the front page. I think of the old song "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover". Hop on a bus Gus.....
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-20-2010, 10:21 AM
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Re: How do I leave
I was in the UPC for 19 years. I was fortunate in that I had no extended family in the church except my mother-in-law and she was marginal. We baptized her in ourselves so she followed us in.
I was extremely careful when I wanted to leave. We were pastoring at the time and I stayed for four years without believing it until my husband was ready to make the move. I will never regret how I handled that. I didn't break any standards except for ones that were pretty acceptable to break. I talked to my husband about my feelings but I did not scream or yell or demand we leave. In fact, I was ready to stay forever in respect to my husband's wishes and ust work inside the denomination to try and help people best I could.
I didn't feel that being in or out was what mattered but that I was free in my own mind to think and feel and be who I was. That's what really counts.
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04-20-2010, 10:24 AM
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Re: How do I leave
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
To those who have left the Pentecostal faith: Where did you go? Is it more Biblical from where you came? Consider also what the original Poster actually said. Nothing about "standards" or some Church group hurting him.
He said THE GOD of Pentecostals is bogus and unfaithful.
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If you are really free in your mind, it doesn't really matter where you go, does it? What matters is that you are one with God whereever you are.
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04-20-2010, 10:27 AM
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Re: How do I leave
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Originally Posted by ILG
I was in the UPC for 19 years. I was fortunate in that I had no extended family in the church except my mother-in-law and she was marginal. We baptized her in ourselves so she followed us in.
I was extremely careful when I wanted to leave. We were pastoring at the time and I stayed for four years without believing it until my husband was ready to make the move. I will never regret how I handled that. I didn't break any standards except for ones that were pretty acceptable to break. I talked to my husband about my feelings but I did not scream or yell or demand we leave. In fact, I was ready to stay forever in respect to my husband's wishes and ust work inside the denomination to try and help people best I could.
I didn't feel that being in or out was what mattered but that I was free in my own mind to think and feel and be who I was. That's what really counts.
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"without believing it"
Can you be specific? Are you talking about the cross? The Pentecostal version of experiencing Acts 2? What?
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04-20-2010, 10:27 AM
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Re: How do I leave
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Originally Posted by Michlow
Merton’s Prayer
My Lord God, I have no idea where I am going. I do not see the road ahead of me, I cannot know for certain where it will end. Nor do I really know myself, and the fact that I think I am following your will does not mean that I am actually doing so. But I believe that the desire to please you does in fact please you. And I hope I have that desire in all that I am doing. I hope that I will never do anything apart from that desire. And I know that if I do this you will lead me by the right road, though I may know nothing about it. Therefore I will trust you always though I may seem to be lost and in the shadow of death. I will not fear, for you are ever with me, and you will never leave me to face my perils alone. (Thoughts in Solitude, Thomas Merton, 81) |
Good quote.
You look pretty smart in your new avatar Mich!
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When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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