While there are certain types of business I could do with someone who owned a liquor store, I would not want to display my products, or my business card in their establishment. If just one person ever went into a liquor store to buy my product and ended up picking up a bottle at the same time, and something happened from it--I would feel I had contributed. That take may not be right, but it is my take, and it is my conscience. I'd rather lose the sell than to do business in that fashion.
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While there are certain types of business I could do with someone who owned a liquor store, I would not want to display my products, or my business card in their establishment. If just one person ever went into a liquor store to buy my product and ended up picking up a bottle at the same time, and something happened from it--I would feel I had contributed. That take may not be right, but it is my take, and it is my conscience. I'd rather lose the sell than to do business in that fashion.
Well, I wouldn't feel as though I contributed, but I can see your point on not doing business with them.
I don't care how they make the candles as long as they smell good and last me a good while....
Right. Some people get wrangled over the soy vs. paraffin. I just wanted everyone to know the facts. If I own a business then I become a professional. I want to know everything and all the issues - whether positive or negative.
Another thing that candle buyers don't know is: The width of the mouth of any container candle determines the length of time you can burn it safely.
In other words, if the container is 3" wide, you should extinguish that candle after three hours.
And a warning: DO NOT LEAVE A SOY CANDLE ON A WARMER PLATE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME - IT WILL EXPLODE!!! A warmer should never be over 120 watts.
Do not ever burn a candle to the bottom of the jar. The jar could crack and start a fire.
O.K., I have a candle business which is clipping along nicely.
I have a scent called Merlot Wine and wanted to verify if the scent was accurate. It smelled a little too much on the cherry side for me, so I contacted a large liquor store near here to verify that. My Amaretto is awesome!
I talked with the owner and by the end of the conversation we, tentatively, set up that I would bring by any candles I poured in the liquor line and they would be tested for accuracy and then we talked about carrying them in her store.
So, as a Christian is this the right thing for me to do or is it "business as usual"?
Be nice. I have sales in my blood. I want to do what's right, but when I'm holding a contract I want to get it signed. It's like an addiction!
Nothing wrong with wine, Jesus drank it. I don't drink myself, I see nothing wrong with a Christian having a glass of wine or selling candles that may smell like wine, all things in moderation.
While there are certain types of business I could do with someone who owned a liquor store, I would not want to display my products, or my business card in their establishment. If just one person ever went into a liquor store to buy my product and ended up picking up a bottle at the same time, and something happened from it--I would feel I had contributed. That take may not be right, but it is my take, and it is my conscience. I'd rather lose the sell than to do business in that fashion.
Our business sell food in bulk and other items, once it sold we have no control over who or what they do with it once they walk out our doors, sure are label on it name and all . I’ve seen our product sold at such things as Endtime events to church events, to the guy next store. Sometimes you can’t control where a product is sold or to who, like toilet paper, you have no ideal who going buy it where it’s going to end up, in a bar or a church, does that mean I would stop selling it? Nah~
Our business sell food bulk and other items, once it sold we have no control over who or what they do with it once they walk out our doors, sure are label on it name and all . I’ve seen our product sold at such things as Endtime events to church events, to the guy next store. Sometimes you can’t control where a product is sold or to who, like toilet paper, you have no ideal who going buy it where it’s going to end up, in a bar or a church, does that mean I would stop selling it? Nah~
I think he is saying that he wouldn't want to - knowingly - have a hand in the order placement.
HO,
I would like to address the soy issue, which is a bunch of propaganda.
Facts:
There is no such thing as a smoke and soot free candle. It is about trimming your wick, avoiding drafts and not allowing your candle to smolder after extinguishing.
Soy has white smoke, which isn't as obvious - so much for a candle that is smoke free.
Paraffin is a naturally occurring non-toxic, non reactive solid which naturally exists in petroleum oil. Man does not artificially add or subtract atoms from the molecular chain to create paraffin.
It is refined from the light lubricating oil portion of petroleum and is separated from oil and distilled to remove any impurities or solvent residues, much like you would separate cream into butter.
Other naturally occurring substances related to paraffin are petroleum jelly and mineral oil, both of which have been widely and safely used in the medical, cosmetic and food industries for many many years.
Soy wax is very soft and soap like. It burns poorly in it's pure state. Adding paraffin stabilizes the alternative waxes to produce better quality candles.
You can't squeeze soybeans or palm kernels and make wax. These wax like substances are created by man via a process commonly known as hydrogenation.
These waxes are not simply extracted and separated from natural oils as the manufacturers would like you to believe. They are created by manipulating molecules into chemical chains that don't exist in nature, very similar to the way margarine is made.
Unlike paraffin which is essentially distilled from it's base oil, soy wax is created by manipulating the base oil into a new substance by forcefully attaching an extra hydrogen atom to the chemical chain. Palm and soy oils are hydrogenated at temperatures around 80 degrees Celsius.
Hydrogen is forced through the oil under extreme pressure along with reactive metals such as nickle, which are added as a catalyst to cause the molecular changes necessary to transform the oil into a "wax" like state.
Various solvents are then used to extract the reactive metal and unwanted byproducts from the wax.
Many candle makers represent these waxes as 100% natural alternatives to paraffin. What is in question here is the purity of the refining process and the levels and nature of impurities left in the wax. Especially a big concern about the palm wax production industry which is primarily comes out of Malaysia and is therefore not subject to US candle industry standards.
Very little is known about the properties and combustion by products of these so called "natural waxes".
A paraffin candle, whether scented or not, will primarily produce water vapor and carbon dioxide, the same harmless byproducts humans produce when exhaling.
Statement from the National Candle Association:
Is paraffin wax toxic?
No. Paraffin wax is non-toxic. In fact, paraffin is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for use in food, cosmetics, and medical applications. Food-grade paraffin is commonly used for manufacturing candles.
So much for the soy drama!
PO, was there something in my statement you bolded that led you to think there was a reason why you had to post the above? LOL!
I didn't say why I liked soy candles, I just said I liked them!
Looks like you want a debate out of me.....hahahahaha!
I like soy candles because they burn evenly without waste, they smell great (there are wax candles that do also, but not as much of a variety that does), and if they spill, they clean up easily.
However, I buy all kinds of candles. I burn them all the time, but I prefer the ones that have the best scent. I don't ever throw away a soy candle because the wick has burned up with half the wax left over, thus why I prefer soy candles.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
O.K., I have a candle business which is clipping along nicely.
I have a scent called Merlot Wine and wanted to verify if the scent was accurate. It smelled a little too much on the cherry side for me, so I contacted a large liquor store near here to verify that. My Amaretto is awesome!
I talked with the owner and by the end of the conversation we, tentatively, set up that I would bring by any candles I poured in the liquor line and they would be tested for accuracy and then we talked about carrying them in her store.
So, as a Christian is this the right thing for me to do or is it "business as usual"?
Be nice. I have sales in my blood. I want to do what's right, but when I'm holding a contract I want to get it signed. It's like an addiction!
Right. Some people get wrangled over the soy vs. paraffin. I just wanted everyone to know the facts. If I own a business then I become a professional. I want to know everything and all the issues - whether positive or negative.
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